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[Feanor]

This being a thread about the sorcerer, I want to say that I don't like too much that CHA bonus from Inner Focus, because it's just an aestethycal improvement. It does not matter at all for the class.

[MythicalChicken]

This being a thread about the sorcerer, I want to say that I don't like too much that CHA bonus from Inner Focus, because it's just an aestethycal improvement. It does not matter at all for the class. 

Funny you mention this ... I've been thinking about the druidic sorcerer kit: a mod which would've made 4 awesome kits, but all that available to one char is crazy, plus I hate exp penalities.

The coolest thing about that kit, IMO, was how they reduced the intial number of spells a dr. sorc could cast, but balanced it by making charmisa work in the same manner as wisdom does for priests.

It makes sense to me that a sorc's abilities would rely on charisma, given the way they learn spells. It don't require much intelligence to wake up one day and go "hey, I can cast timestop!"

I'm new to the modding thing, but if I can figure out the Dr. Sorc's code I'd like to implement this minor-but-major change to sorcs.

Making it compabitle with refinements, of course. I just downloaded it and love the changes y'all made (well, heh heh, except for the sorcerer).

Thanks so much and VERY much looking forward to Shockwave!

Best,
MC

[T.G.Maestro]

I'm new to the modding thing, but if I can figure out the Dr. Sorc's code I'd like to implement this minor-but-major change to sorcs.

God luck with it!

I just downloaded it and love the changes y'all made

Thanks, good to know.

well, heh heh, except for the sorcerer).

Mind you, could you be a bit more specific?

[the bigg]

I'm new to the modding thing, but if I can figure out the Dr. Sorc's code I'd like to implement this minor-but-major change to sorcs.

God luck with it!

The dr sorc code isn't doesn't work perfectly, thus Littiz wouldn't accept it . (see http://www.shsforums...?showtopic=8328) The problem is that it updates only at car generation. Otherwise, you need to write a list of 25*24*3 blocks and append them to baldur.bcs, or otherwise risk that some changes won't be noticed (say, when you equip +CHR'ing items). If you manage to do this, you will notice *some* big slowing problems, like if you installed the best pc script on the net B)

[T.G.Maestro]

You know, I don't want to disappoint you.. but the truth is that I really don't like that kit. While it has nice ideas, the implementation made it everything but balanced. In other words, I never tried a kit that overpowered before.

[Schatten]

I'm new to the modding thing, but if I can figure out the Dr. Sorc's code I'd like to implement this minor-but-major change to sorcs.

God luck with it!

The dr sorc code isn't doesn't work perfectly, thus Littiz wouldn't accept it . (see http://www.shsforums...?showtopic=8328) The problem is that it updates only at car generation. Otherwise, you need to write a list of 25*24*3 blocks and append them to baldur.bcs, or otherwise risk that some changes won't be noticed (say, when you equip +CHR'ing items). If you manage to do this, you will notice *some* big slowing problems, like if you installed the best pc script on the net B)

umm.... why? it is enough to create a paragraph for cha 3 with 40 or 50 or whatever spellfailure.... to cha 13 and with cha 13 you get additional spell slots.
please explain.

[the bigg]

I'm new to the modding thing, but if I can figure out the Dr. Sorc's code I'd like to implement this minor-but-major change to sorcs.

God luck with it!

The dr sorc code isn't doesn't work perfectly, thus Littiz wouldn't accept it . (see http://www.shsforums...?showtopic=8328) The problem is that it updates only at car generation. Otherwise, you need to write a list of 25*24*3 blocks and append them to baldur.bcs, or otherwise risk that some changes won't be noticed (say, when you equip +CHR'ing items). If you manage to do this, you will notice *some* big slowing problems, like if you installed the best pc script on the net B)

umm.... why? it is enough to create a paragraph for cha 3 with 40 or 50 or whatever spellfailure.... to cha 13 and with cha 13 you get additional spell slots.
please explain.

DR Sorc doesn't update your bonuses when your CHR changes. To do so, you'd need 25*24*3*6 blocks to append to the scripts.

[T.G.Maestro]

i don't know how time-consuming or hard this would be,

Not that hard, but definitely time consuming - and time is what we really lack these times.

This is the idea that i think can be implemented onto the refinements sorcerer.

It has already implemented into Refinements monks - wait until we publish the new table, it is truly a great one, better than ever.

[Littiz]

It has already implemented into Refinements monks - wait until we publish the new table, it is truly a great one, better than ever.

True.
Definitely I have to make space for a monk in my next party.

ATM we have this little problem with the_bigg (who completed perfectly this strange, fun, troubled group which is the Refinement team). We feel a little "mutilated", right now

We'll have to make donations to the University of Pisa, it seems (damned universities, they waste people I always say, they do )

Edited by Littiz, 28 September 2004 - 11:18 AM.

[T.G.Maestro]

this strange, fun, troubled group

We'll have to make donations to the University of Pisa, it seems (damned universities, they waste people I always say, they do )

True, absolutely..

[T.G.Maestro]

I was playing with the idea of adding Enlonger Spell as a HLA for sorcerers (and maybe even mages), and I'd like to ask the community about this. As you may already know, the "Spell Duration Modifier" opcode works rather strange: it only enlongers the duration of spell working without a .pro file, e.g. spells that are cast on the caster itself (like Stoneskin), spells that are directly cast upon another creature (Protection from Energy) and finally spells that have an effect that is global, but do not requires any projectile (like Time Stop).

Now, I have 3 different variations for this ability:
- it can work as a normal innate HLA: once it has been activated, all spells cast before it's duration expires last longer by a set percent (for example 40-50%);
- it can work to become a one-time passive HLA, that permanently increases the duration of spells cast by a fixed percent (for example 20-25%);
- or it can be made a passive HLA selectable multiple times (say 5), and each pick increases the duration of the affected spells by 10-15%.

Again, the main problem is that this wouldn't work on a bunch of spells that use a .pro file (like Ice Storm, Slow, or Symbol:Stun). We'd need to build a "cover story" into the ability's description to explain this - I'm waiting for useable ideas and suggestions on this!

[Andyr]

Well, for starters it should probably be lengthen or enlengthen, since enlonger isn't a word.

Interesting idea, but I'd suggest allowing it for Mages too if you make it.

[Stone Wolf]

I think those are called "Extension" spells in the game. Like "Extension I", "Extension II", etc.

[Andyr]

In 3E there's a feat called Extend Spell which does something similar, but I don't know about AD&D.

[Jinnai]

The extend feat works only for 1 spell because iotherwise it could be quite overpowered. Basically people only use it for trademark spells.

[T.G.Maestro]

Well, for starters it should probably be lengthen or enlengthen, since enlonger isn't a word.

Oh well... . Thanks for the correction Andy!

The extend feat works only for 1 spell because iotherwise it could be quite overpowered.

True, this is why I added those 3 options for the HLA version: all of them seems overpowered when compared to that 3E feat, but works very balanced between HLAs.

On the other hand, please lets focus on that "explanation" I mentioned in my last post.

[Schatten]

ummm... what exactly is the difference between the spells it works and and it does not work on? only projectiles?

as for the different implementable ideas i would choose the first one with 30-40% or something.