Thanks. So We need now German and Italian Hours and Unreachable + only Italian ~Yes, but don't patch the existing save games~ and ~Yes, and patch the existing save games~

German map uses these terms

Hours >>> Reisestunden  (meaning travelling hours), simply hours would be *Stunden*

Unreachable >>>> Ziel nicht erreichbar (meaning destination unreachable) may be shortened to *nicht erreichbar*

*Stuttering* is an effect that can be caused by any code block in any script in the game if it contains a loop, i.e it tries to execute the same action at each cycle of the game running. Two people having the effect not even necessarily have it from the same source, Consequently there is not ONE universal solution for it. Find the issue in your speific install and get rid of it. If you think you found a general bug, share your knowledge.

Try this:

Put the attached file into BG2EE/override

restart the game and talk to Adalon (without having done other weird stuff before)

 CUT44C.BCS   10.25K   685 downloads

At least in my EET install (1.0 RC9.2) it works without issue. I repaired even some other players saves with running through this script.

PS I started script's work on EET With Sandrah Mod. There was a lot of issues with DPLAYER2/3 scripts. And racial scripts had stopped working after some 5 or 6 chapter.

Just for the record

- Sandrah mod does not touch Dplayer2 or 3 bcs

- Sandrah mod does not change any racial scripts

And just imagine Sandrah in one party with Bodhi and vampires. Sandrah hates vampires and vampires hate Midnight that killed Myrkyl, god of vampires. 

Sandrah is compatible with Hexxat and Ninde.

The only true statement here is *vampires hate Midnight that killed Myrkyl, god of vampires.*  >> Midnight became Mystra at the end the Time of Troubles. Sandrah is a priestess of Mystra and she emulates her heroine Midnight best she can.

*Sandrah hates vampires" >> that is nowhere stated, she hates necromancers (and Red Wizards).

PS - The dead god's name slain by Midnight was Myrkul.

This is not about compatibility but about role playing - the two mods would not make much sense together. But that would be the case for many other NPCs or NPC mods in the game, it is not specific to Sandrah.

hi, sorry for the necropost. I'm doing a BWS/TDD run, all the quest worked fine until the last.

I did *NOT* get the quest from elhan, but from ellissene after the irenicus fight.

After i went to the village, talk with the kid, went to the inn, talk to the keeper and then the girl upstair, went out talked with the wizard, the traveller (he give me the letter) and the ranger, i went back to akhtala but i cannot find Weslun Tane. I searched all temples, i had a clean save right after irenicus battle so i tried a couple of times but I never got the npc to spawn and give me the wardstone.

If anybody could give me the wardstone code i can try to spawn it and see if i can keep continuing the quest, otherwise I'll have to start again with a clean install (i can't do anything else to advance)

Weslune is in the Lathander temple on the platform in the rear. If not

C:CreateCreature("DDPLOTA2")

otherwise

C:CreateItem("DDPLOTA2")

The scenario you describe is the original game plot, not the modified TDDz one. Are you even playing an EE game?

Anyway, my codes will be valid just the same. Just with CluaConsole: instead of C:

I'll do a clean install now that SoA is over and I'll pay a lot more attention in what content I'm going to download. Do you still reccomend BWS or is it better looking for every single mod by myself? Sorry for the little OT, I don't wanna spam and I thank you in advance for your reply.

Depends on whether you want to mod BG2EE only or if you want an EET install.

BWS makes sense only for large and complex installs on BG2EE or for EET installs, because that is where patching and install order start to get significant, which is something BWS does better than (most) players.

Or if you want many mods from different sites and are tired of searching them yourself. It is all a matter of scope and your own abilities.

I like the mod but I've got a question for mod NPCs. Some of them have dialogue banters and some still have SoD style overhead texts. Your own Sandrah talks normal, no wonder. I also love Sirene but she's not covered. Is there a way to add her?

The mod only covers vanilla SoD NPCs.

Sandrah has *normal* dialogue banters because that is how the Sandrah mod is designed. SoD banter mod does nothing with her.

Sirene has overhead banters because the modder has chosen that presentation.

There are two ways for mods in SoD to handle this (if they care at all):

- the mod could add an option to chose the display you want. Probably easiest and best.

- the modder could just push an addon to this mod's github repository with its contents so it installs if the mod is detected.

There is no way that I could incorporate mod NPCs because

a) the mod owner may not like it

b) there is no way to keep things updated and synchronized if the author updates the mod

c) foreign language translations would not be covered

File Name: Shine On Caelar
File Submitter: Roxanne
File Submitted: 02 Mar 2018
File Category: [Link to SHS page deleted - no longer valid]

DOWNLOAD LINK

1) Part 1 SoD Alternative

Many players have felt that the protagonist is denied the valid option during the negotiations with Caelar to decide in favor of her offers to join efforts against Avernus.
This mod allows the player to overrule the coalition leaders and make an own decision about joining Caelar. The motive is that the player knows enough about the betrayal planned by her advisor and tries to avoid the bloody battle over Dragonspear Castle.
The option for decision appears in the negotiation at Dead Man's Pass, provided the player has left way for such a decision by previous dialogues and actions.
The more information the protagonist has gained during the game about Caelar and those near her, the more options are available while at her side.
The Shining Lady will not become join-able during SoD and her fate when leaving Avernus remains as in the original game. The remaining plot in SoD is not affected, only during the trial you get an option to use your decision as additional argument.
Do NOT use this mod when playing SoD for the first time. It bypasses the semi-cinematic battles at coalition camp and breaking into Dragonspear Castle. The crusaders retreat peacefully and the Castle is in the hands of the Flaming Fist after you return from Avernus.

2) Part 2 Caelar's Rescue

This addition (for EET only) will allow you to finally release the Shining Lady from Avernus. The extension starts in ToB when you meet Aun Argent in Saradush. Your Bhaal plane portal allows you to access other parts of Hell and by this provides a means to rescue Caelar and let her join your party.
This way all your former opponents from the various campaigns (Sarevok, Caelar and Irenicus) may be added to your final party.
Instead of seeking redemption as a fallen paladin, Caelar will try to become the champion of a rising new god, although her idea about your role differs quite a bit from Sarevok's view...

Caelar has a quest concerning the souls lost in Avernus which includes the party's return to Dragonspear and various SoD areas.

 

A mod for SoD and EET by RoxanneSHS

Support and Bug reporting

Thank you for releasing this.

I have added a little warning I forgot in the first post:

Only tested for EET, SoD compatibility is assumed from technical assessment.

I did not find anything in the files etc that I touch that makes a difference for this mini-mod extract. The main part is still not released.

A Note for modders

Part 2 is currently suspended for release until details about a possible other mod that may bring Caelar back to the game are known. This is to avoid overlap or incompatibility.

From what little I know:

Part 1 stays true to the original SoD contents concerning Caelar and therefore should be compatible with any mod that adds her in later parts. Her outcome, all globals, files, etc. are equal to the situation in the original game when the player has Caelar as ally in the Avernus final battle.

For anyone who wants to take the deviation into account, this Global

Global("bd_alt_willing_surrender","global",9)

indicates that the alternative road was used during SoD part. This may be used for any EET compatibility.

Part 2 (if it will ever be released) will not start or affect any game until the party reaches Saradush. Compatibility can easily be achieved by my mod adding conditions to prevent the spawning of Aun Argent for the case that Caelar has already been freed by other mod(s).

"Do NOT use this mod when playing SoD for the first time"

Hi Roxanne,

 

I'm sorry but I don't understand precisely what you mean by that.

 

I will try an EET-playthrough and I don't grasp what it implies to that end.

The mod provides an alternative but skips one of the BIG battles to get into Dragonspear Castle.

 

This is meant as a hint to at least once enjoy the original game as it was written and developed with much work and care. Only if afterwards you feel that you want another way to solve the case with Caelar, you should use that other road. It is for those with an urge to fill a gap in the original game, but for that you should at least know what is going on and decide only after you know the story. But of course you make decisions as you want, it is just my suggestion.

 

PS In EET you will be able to play the ToB contents regardless of whether you took the SoD alternative or not. Only prerequisite is that Caelar is still alive at SoD end.

Thanks a lot.

Well thought.  

i'll try with and without.

By the way, is the mod now included in a BWS installation?

You can select it in BWS, it is under NPC-related mods. It is not pre-selected.

And yes, you can install it anyway, because the decision which route you take is made in the game.

"Do NOT use this mod when playing SoD for the first time"

Hi Roxanne,

 

I'm sorry but I don't understand precisely what you mean by that.

 

I will try an EET-playthrough and I don't grasp what it implies to that end.

The mod provides an alternative but skips one of the BIG battles to get into Dragonspear Castle.

This is meant as a hint to at least once enjoy the original game as it was written and developed with much work and care. Only if afterwards you feel that you want another way to solve the case with Caelar, you should use that other road. It is for those with an urge to fill a gap in the original game, but for that you should at least know what is going on and decide only after you know the story. But of course you make decisions as you want, it is just my suggestion.

PS In EET you will be able to play the ToB contents regardless of whether you took the SoD alternative or not. Only prerequisite is that Caelar is still alive at SoD end.

Hey, can you elaborate what conditions cause the additional dialogue options (at dead man's pass)  to show/not show up?

I'm at that stop right now but have no option to overrule the NPC leaders.

This is set by the script in BD3000, the Coalition Camp

IF
GlobalGT("bd_mdd420_good","global",1)
GlobalLT("bd_alt_willing_surrender","global",2)
THEN
RESPONSE #100
SetGlobal("bd_alt_willing_surrender","global",2)
END

It depends on how you dealt with Caelar in previous meetings.

It does not appear in all of the conversation path's of that meeting, only if you follow the *peaceful* path during that meeting. You should get it when de Lancie says ~It pains me to say it, but Nederlok is right. This time. Though I'd happily sacrifice the Bhaalspawn's life to end this war, we don't know what sending them off with Caelar means.~ And you say ~I still think surrender is the best option....~

PS - I consider that there may be more options to trigger the alternative and I am open to suggestions. Since it is just evaluating globals, it will be simple to implement.

I have a problem with Caelar, her whole equipment cannot be removed or changed when she joins.

Did you install the mod AFTER you started SoD?

The mod uses the original Caelar creature, her items have the flag that makes items non-droppable. The mod changes those flags but it only has an effect if you never before met Caelar in the game. In addition, some items (that make her un-killable and specially animated are removed when you rescue her).

You can change the item flags with NI in your savegame if my assumption of late installation is correct.

When you troll her about serving Belhifet, she agrees to serve him and becames Black Caelar. It would be cool to kill Belhifet and make her your own slave as god of murder.

This would require another mod and another game all together.

In my mod, she only becomes join-able during ToB. By that time B is long dead and you are far from being god of murder yet.

How about getting Black Caelar for evil players? I want to strip her light forever and make her serve me

She already lost her light,

She is aasimar and an Argent - try to make her serve you against her will.

I have a problem with Caelar, her whole equipment cannot be removed or changed when she joins.

Did you install the mod AFTER you started SoD?

You're right.

I installed the part 1 of the mod and did SoD. I installed part 2 before I went to ToB.

 

So the Caelar I rescued is really the one I left behind at the seal?

Yes, you rescue the *real* Caelar. Only her plot person items are destroyed and her alignment has changed to LN during her stay in Avernus, that is something uncle Aun might have explained to you.

How do I start the part 2 rescue?

This is only available in EET. He will only be there if you sided with Caelar in SoD (in the final battle, it is not necessary to have chosen the part 1 alternative for that). And she survived, of course.

In the tp2

COMPILE ~saradas_magic\AR2304.baf~

overrides anything else in ar2304.bcs, thus making the mod incompatible with any other which adds contents to this area.

EXTEND_BOTTOM ~ar2304.bcs~ ~saradas_magic\AR2304.baf~

would not be destructive.

I am Fade's legal caretaker (along with Kai) - both original Fade authors agreed and it was confirmed by Kaeloree and it may once hit EET. Since crossmod talks with her are also out of character, that's why I ask you to exclude it from the mod as well.

Done

Thanks Roxanne!   I'm still in Chapter 2, exploring up and down the Sword Coast, doing pretty much all the side quests before the main one. 

 

I have another question - I'm trying to hunt down the bandit in Waterdeep, and can't find the entrance to the sewers. I saw your response to this question in another thread, where you said it's

 

Spoiler

"in the first area of Waterdeep near the house where the shadow thieves hide, road north of the Festhall". I haven't met any shadow thieves,

 

and I've combed that entire area for ages, but can't find any entrances. What am I looking for, exactly?

Hi Roxanne,

 

I've just encountered Skie to take her revenge on Irenicus at the Tree of Life. Quite sinister.

Will there be more of her in the mod, given her heritage?

Yes, in ToB

What I'm really about is that there is a new Skie mod out that makes her joinable in BG2 and which says it's not compatible with yours. After this scene that is probably true. Any plans to resolve this?

 

I would love ti have both mods in my next install, hope there's some solution by then.

The Skie episode in Sandrah was designed with the idea that one day there would be a mod that solves the issue from SoD in a better way. Actually the only reason for Skie in Sandrah is that my mod needs to access BG City again in the second half of BG2 and I needed to open the town for the party again.

So you get compatibility in less than 5 minutes by adding

SetGlobal("SanSoDSkie","Global",6)

to your mod. This should be done at some event/dialogue etc where story-wise a situation is achieved that the protagonist can return to BG City.

Doing this will open the city again but prevent the Sandrah events that otherwise lead to this state.

Later events after her return are already checked in my mod with !InParty("Skie"). I may need to update this condition, if your Skie uses a different script name.

Again less than 5 minutes work...

 

Sorry for that.

I'd love to post it here and I even tried. But I can't get an account activated in this forum. I wait for weeks but there's no feedback to my request.Maybe there's no admins around here, I saw other posts about it.

As soon as get admittance, I would drop *bean dogs* and become active here. This is the far better place for EET I think.

The best place for EET is actually the EET forum at G3 - but I guess you know that.

You know how Jaheira in particular had lots of quests and talks with her romance track? Several hours worth of reading and questing in that alone. Much of this extra content needs the player to romance jaheira and there is nothing to replace that reading and questing for a player that doesn't romance her. Could the same be said for Sandrah, or does some other things happen according to whether the relationship is friendly or not, or romantic or not, etc?  

There will be optional parts that you do not get if you do not romance Sandrah but over all, her main quests and story works also for friendship. In order to have Sandrah stay in the party throughout and sharing her quests with you, you need to have a relationship of trust and sharing some values. Obviously this is easier if romance is involved but it is also possible for friends that trust each other deeply.

In summary, it is not essential to romance Sandrah to play the contents (unlike Jaheira). The things you miss are ornamental,, so to say.

Since this is EE-only, I might suggest making the the kit match her actual class:

~0x00004000    8~

This has a few benefits:
- For kits available to Charname, they can appear under the proper multiclass in character generation menus (inapplicable here of course)
- The kit can use its own values in weapprof.2da instead of the trueclass fighter/cleric column
- The kit can have a custom HLA table instead of using the trueclass fighter/cleric table
- More generally, the kit will accurately match its class, instead of shoehorning a kit from one class into a different class.

The engine does not fully support multiclass kits by default... but Aquadrizzt has thoughtfully created a function to make it work. It's quite easy to use:
https://forums.beamd...ticlass-kits/p1

This sounds quite promissing, just a year or so late...

It will take quite some time for me to fully analyse it. Starting with a 8 character kit name when the tool wants 7 or less (How many times do I use the reference in my mod?),

What I am generally afraid of, is that I make my NPC too powerful. The weapprof is interesting but I already use the opcode to make ranged weapons unusable for her.

The whole thing sounds like a long term project with a lot of testing required. So it will not be tomorrow...

 

Maybe I always misunderstood this, but what would

~0x00004000 8~ 
actually change?

What is important is that any spell abilities in the clab table (anything attached to "GA_" or "AP_") should be 7 letters or less.

is this engine requirment or some mod needs that last letter?

I followed your hints and included the function for Sandrah.

The results are not what I had expected. She lost her kit (she has her kit assigned if I look her up with NI) but in game she appears and acts like a fighter/cleric of no distinction.

For whatever reason, it does not work for her and spoils her Priestess of Mystra persona completely.

EDIT

I did something completely different now with qdmulti

I installed it as a separate component at the end of my mod - and it works! If anyone can explain, I cannot?

Could it be that the F&P compatibility code has something to do with it - I mean with respect to install sequence, as previously qdmulti was prior and now comes after F&P? Reason why I ask is that now I get some warnings about some ability names being too long (that 7 character thing) and the ones I find in debug are DS_xxxx ,so not from my original 2da (has max 7) but from the one updated by F&P.