Weird spell animation
Started by Miloch, Jun 01 2009 12:38 PM
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Posted 01 June 2009 - 12:38 PM
Anyone have a clue which spell effect this is? I can't for the life of me get rid of it, or even figure out where it's coming from.
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Posted 01 June 2009 - 01:08 PM
That bam is hardcoded into some anti-spell protection opcodes. Spell Deflection, Spell Trap, Spell Immunity, Cloak of Mirroring are examples.
That, or I didn't get what you've been asking for.
That, or I didn't get what you've been asking for.
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Posted 01 June 2009 - 01:18 PM
Ah, that explains it then. I made the svirfneblin immune to illusions as per PnP rules.That bam is hardcoded into some anti-spell protection opcodes. Spell Deflection, Spell Trap, Spell Immunity, Cloak of Mirroring are examples.
Sheeite. Is there any way to disable it then, or another opcode to use besides 204?
(I guess this is Modding Help now, not that it makes a huge difference.)
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Posted 01 June 2009 - 01:42 PM
IIRC it's done via 296th, with 'spmagglo' as a resource. BG2Tweaks has some solution to the problem too.
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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:09 PM
This did not disable the spmagglo, possibly because it's hardcoded into opcode 204, which must override it or something...IIRC it's done via 296th, with 'spmagglo' as a resource.
Yeah, its Cloak of Mirroring component overwrites spmagglo.bam with a blank one, which seems a bit heavyhanded but must've been necessary because of the above issue. It is a rather ugly animation, and I don't know if it's used for anything else. Now if we could just figure out which BAM that stupid hardcoded Creature Summoning grey cloud is...BG2Tweaks has some solution to the problem too.
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Posted 04 June 2009 - 09:40 PM
There's "Disable visual effects"; no resource key, although param2 probably has to be non-zero (to set the stat). This effect prevents the display of hardcoded overlays for deflection and reflection effects only. All sources of the animation are blocked. You may wish to add it prior to the spell type immunity effect to prevent "blinking" of the globe (it can show up before the engine processes the disabling effect).
SPBOOM (I believe) is hardcoded to the engine in its summoning effects (some or all of them). I don't know if you can ever get it to stop without overwriting the BAM (but this is also used for non-3D Fireball impact hit and some of the presto-disappear-o spells). It's a swappable palette animation (can be colored), so it shows up as red, green, blue, or whatever in various places, but it's all the same file.
SPBOOM (I believe) is hardcoded to the engine in its summoning effects (some or all of them). I don't know if you can ever get it to stop without overwriting the BAM (but this is also used for non-3D Fireball impact hit and some of the presto-disappear-o spells). It's a swappable palette animation (can be colored), so it shows up as red, green, blue, or whatever in various places, but it's all the same file.
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 01:40 PM
You mean, hardcoded in there as well? As otherwise it should be a deal to just switch it to another one in existing effects that specify spboom as a resource.this is also used for non-3D Fireball impact hit and some of the presto-disappear-o spells
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 01:52 PM
Yeah, spboom is the fireball-looking animation that I told you about that appears when you use a Summon opcode as an external effect. Taimon thinks it is also the cloud that appears when you don't (with a grey overlay) but I don't see how that's possible since it looks nothing like it. It's more like a small cloud of dust being kicked up than a fireball but it's only a few frames, maybe buried in there somewhere. Taimon also said you can also use NONE as param5 to disable it potentially, but I haven't tried that yet.You mean, hardcoded in there as well?
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 06:47 PM
Ok, I tried both of these tricks (opcode #291 to disable spmagglo and 'NONE' in the VVC field in an external EFF to disable spboom) and they both worked, yay. No hacking or overwriting necessary to get rid of nasty unwanted effects, and no more visible invisible CREs.
Just one more question vaguely related - timing mode 1 (permanent) should suffice for an effect like the former on a non-joinable NPC, as timing mode 9 (permanent after death) is only relevant to joinables or the PC, right?
Just one more question vaguely related - timing mode 1 (permanent) should suffice for an effect like the former on a non-joinable NPC, as timing mode 9 (permanent after death) is only relevant to joinables or the PC, right?
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Posted 08 June 2009 - 09:20 AM
Well, yes, provided you can kill and then revive PC, that isas timing mode 9 (permanent after death) is only relevant to joinables or the PC, right?
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Posted 08 June 2009 - 01:04 PM
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?as timing mode 9 (permanent after death) is only relevant to joinable NPCs, right?
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Posted 08 June 2009 - 02:12 PM
... yes...as timing mode 9 (permanent after death) is only relevant to joinables or the PC, right?
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Posted 17 June 2009 - 07:40 PM
It should be the same (the game knows green, blue, red, and gray palettes for this, and it's re-colorable in PROs IIRC). It's used mostly for the old-style fireball and random summon (by 2DA) effects (it also has its own lighting effects numbers for all four), but it somehow carried over to EFF summons. I'd set the field to SPF**k just to spite. :)Yeah, spboom is the fireball-looking animation that I told you about that appears when you use a Summon opcode as an external effect. Taimon thinks it is also the cloud that appears when you don't (with a grey overlay) but I don't see how that's possible since it looks nothing like it. It's more like a small cloud of dust being kicked up than a fireball but it's only a few frames, maybe buried in there somewhere. Taimon also said you can also use NONE as param5 to disable it potentially, but I haven't tried that yet.
Timing mode 1 is fine if you don't need something to persist after NPC death (you almost never do). I can only think of instances of visibility (if you want an animation to keep running, or maybe a color or tint change, after the creature bites it). If it's just on NPCs, though, there's really not much reason to not just set it at 9 (it would seem to be useful for #291, but nothing that applies the auto-animations would actually be running permanent after death, so there's likely no practical difference in-game).
