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[Sir Kalthorine]

I am trying to make an item only usable by assassins, and not normal thieves or any of the other thief kits.

Making items unusable by swashies and bounty bouncers is easy. The thing is, I am not sure if making the item unusable by non-kitted thieves is possible, due to the hardcoding of item usabilities. I have done a test run with a couple of items, one with the usability bits for normal thief AND assassin ticked, and one with the assassin usability flag set but the "thief" flag set to unusable. Then I CLUACOnsoled each item into my assassin's inventory, and as I suspected the second item (the one that is seemingly set to be used by the assassin kit but NOT the "vanilla" thief) was not equippable.

So, can I assume that while it is possible to set an item usable by, for example, an assassin but not a swashbuckler by setting the right flags, it is NOT possible to set an item usable by an assassin but not a regular thief? Or am I missing something? And if I'm not, is there a workaround/coding "cheat" that can be used to circumvent this?

[berelinde]

You might not be able to prevent thieves from using items only available to assassins, but you do have one resource to fall back on, if you plan to allow Chrysta to use druid flagged items

You can always set the usability flags to allow only assassins who are also able to use druid-flagged items...

[Dirt_Squirrel]

For this one, if you use NI, you can set the flags to be extremely specific as to what character class, alignment etc can or can't use what.
If you want to create an item for *one* very *specific* class, I would do that in NI.

*hugs*
DS

p.s. *ugh* in rereading your post.....I would second what Berelinde said....

Edited by Dirt_Squirrel, 17 May 2007 - 02:59 PM.

[igi]

For this one, if you use NI, you can set the flags to be extremely specific as to what character class, alignment etc can or can't use what.
If you want to create an item for *one* very *specific* class, I would do that in NI.

There is nothing that you can do in NI that cannot be done in a hex editor, or via a tp2. DLTCEP can probably do it all as well, though I know at least there are some unknowns that it doesn't bother to let you edit.

[GeN1e]

My advise would be to leave item usable by vanilla thieves and simply say in readme - "item isn't supposed to be usable by vanillas, don't do it if you want to roleplay".
If you desperately need to make unusable by vanilla - add a block into the baldur.bcs which would check for equipped item and would drop it if character isn't an assasin.

[Sir Kalthorine]

My advise would be to leave item usable by vanilla thieves and simply say in readme - "item isn't supposed to be usable by vanillas, don't do it if you want to roleplay".
If you desperately need to make unusable by vanilla - add a block into the baldur.bcs which would check for equipped item and would drop it if character isn't an assasin.

Thanks GeN1e, and all others who have contributed.

As it stands, there is no problem with any of the actual in-game NPCs taking advantage of the items with patched druid/thief usability flags, since NONE of them are "vanilla" thieves. The only potential hiccups would be if the PC were a vanilla thief, or a pure thief modded NPC were in the party at the same time (and the only one that immediately springs to mind is Fade).

So, even though it is not an ideal solution, I will probvably go with the "VANILLA THIEF WARNING" disclaimer as suggested.

As usual, thank you to everyone for all the suggestions and help

[GeN1e]

It's quite funny I've just noticed there is a 'baseclass' flag in usability table. In Dltcep it's the third column, second field from the bottom.

[Miloch]

Well, yes. But if you turn off "Thief" it doesn't matter if you turn on "Assassin" - none of the kits can use the item if the base class isn't enabled. At least I think that's the way it works (if not, there are a lot of wack items out there in the original game alone).

What you can do is impose a bunch of stat requirements on the item. For example, if your NPC assassin has an 18 Dex, a 16 Cha and is Neutral Evil, you could limit the item to someone who has those attributes.

[GeN1e]

No need to turn 'thief' flag off. Only 'baseclass'. In other words 'thief' and 'assasin' must be turned on and 'baseclass' - off.

[Miloch]

Hmm. Have you tested this? I thought that only applied to mages for some reason...

[GeN1e]

Yes, I tried it.

[Miloch]

Interestin'. Maybe it wasn't such a dumbass question after all .