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[Kellen]

If it helps, remember that on loosing his soul, Irenicus began to lose more than that. The capability for feelings, or at least love(as he tells Ellisime he used to cling to the memory of his love for her, though he does seem capable of rage, annoyance, and other negative emotions, if it is extremely difficult to arouse it.)

Other than that, it seems that the soul is required for resurrection in DnD cannon, so it is perhaps part of the life force, or, as Azzy phrased it, a battery, as well.

Really though, we could go round in circles for days bringing in real world or Faerunian arguments for what the soul is. And, as mentioned, the ultimate choice for this mod, is hers. I'm sure she(hmm, I kinda assumed you're a she because of Avvy, please tell me I'm not making a fool of myself and insulting you) will do what she thinks is best, and that she will have considered the problem before she does.

[Thanatos.]

a) She only lost half her soul (if such a thing is possible) allowing her to still be resurected, and losing (most) emotion, slowly. Makes great PC talks.
b) An NPC, like a Construct Cleric or such, could "rebuild" her when she dies. Could also have this as a new spell.
c) After 8 hours her body will auto-repair (such as said in her banters(?)) and ress by itself.
d) We continue in the whole hitler-soul-subconscious-mind-thingy debate.

[Icendoan]

D)!

Icen

[witya]

Resurrection by itself is a bit too powerful imo, so staying with this "Construct Cleric" thing may be a good idea. Though I think that a "Construct Cleric" is actually a wizard. ^^ Afterall, wizards create golems and stuff like that, so there could be a spell for "maintaining" them as well, a "Recreation" spell, or something like that. But this also brings up another interesting question... do healing spells work on her?

[Icendoan]

Immunity to Spell opcode would do it, I think. (I think it exists, I didn't really check)

Icen

[Azkyroth]

Immunity to Spell opcode would do it, I think. (I think it exists, I didn't really check)

Icen

There's a "protection from specific spell" opcode, which you want to use if you want her to be unraiseable except by a special NPC. Unfortunately she'll need a separate instance of this effect for every possible raised-from-dead spell and some of them (IE rod of resurrection) may not even work on the basis of spells. You can't just give her a blanket immunity to resurrection or else she'd never be resurrectable at all (unless the spell to resurrect her used the Mass Raise Dead opcode, which would be epic-exploitable). I have an idea about how this might sensibly be done but I don't have time to type it out right now.

You could, however, give her an immunity to the "Stat: Current HP modifier" opcode and use the "HP: Damage" opcode with negative values in order to "repair" her.

[Icendoan]

Well, there are workarounds to a specific problem, but all have flaws.

The mass Resurrect opcode not only would resurrect all party members, making it cheesy out of battle, or Hisyune in battle, should someone use the spell.

Icen

[Azkyroth]

Yeah, I suppose I will just have to select the best one, if I can find it.

One option would be simply not making her resurrectable at all. Alternatively, study the coding for the Bodhi Abduction related stuff closely.

Also, they're cables. Not wires.

[Thanatos.]

*shrug* Whazzadiferense?

[Azkyroth]

*shrug* Whazzadiferense?

The same as the difference between a can and a six-pack.

Anyway, my thought was that it might be possible to set her up so she'd essentially go comatose and have to be picked up by the party (by dialogue with her comatose but non-dead character model) and taken somewhere to be "repaired" before she'd be anything other than an inventory item again.

[Thanatos.]

Good idea But what happens when everyone has a full inventory?! (Yes, I know its rare, but when your solo'ing it happens.)

[Lykainon]

What happens if you tell your familiar to get in your pack with a full inventory? Or for that matter, what happens to the poisoned Harper-guy in the same situation? Now, I don't know the answer but I suppose it could give some ideas.

[Azkyroth]

An item from your inventory is automatically moved to the ground and the item in question is inserted in its place, as I recall.

[Sebastian]

An item from your inventory is automatically moved to the ground and the item in question is inserted in its place, as I recall.

Specifically, the item occupying the first slot in the inventory is dropped.

Yes, I thought I'd barge in here and voice my uncalled for opinion.

I say you shouldn't make her resurrectable AT ALL. She's a construct and thus she wouldn't have many organs to heal or souls to stick back inside her power core.

However, you could use the effect to make her never go below 1 hit point( As I recall, there IS such an effect), and when she does reach 1 hit point, she gets scrapped( You could use the polymorph effect to change her into something that looks like a pile of junk LOL, and reduce her movement, attacks, regeneration(if any, and whatever else to 0). As in, she becomes incapacitated and every hit she takes after that has a X% chance of destroying her core, (which, let's assume for the sake of argument, contains either the power source, the repairing protocols or both), thus resulting in a CHUNKED DEATH that inherently removes any chance of her coming back to existence.

Also, a dialog could take place where the PC could get the plans for her complete structure and in the case she gets scrapped, after the battle, the PC or someone of high enough intelligence could use those plans to reconnect her main parts with her core, thus re-enabling the repairing process to do its thing( Heals 5% HP maybe?)

This repairing protocol that you mentioned could also give her a small regeneration perhaps? Not too high, but it would be consistent with the concept.

Nice idea by the way.

//Sebastian

Edited by Sebastian, 01 December 2008 - 05:13 AM.

[Azkyroth]

Regeneration, perhaps, though a slow one. I don't wish to make her too powerful. Your resurrection idea (or better, the lack of revival) is interesting, though I'm uncertain if the code will allow it. I'm secretly hoping at least one method will work decently.

As long as you're comfortable with using an unconscious animation for her "scrapped" state and don't have your heart set on a "junkyard parts" appearance it'll allow it.

[Sebastian]

Regeneration, perhaps, though a slow one. I don't wish to make her too powerful. Your resurrection idea (or better, the lack of revival) is interesting, though I'm uncertain if the code will allow it. I'm secretly hoping at least one method will work decently.

I'm pretty sure a CHUNKED DEATH, like the Flesh to Stone effect, automatically removes the NPC from the party thus eliminating any possibility of resurrection, so you don't need to worry about coding any resurrection resistances at all(However, this only works on HARD difficulty or above).

Do I remember wrong or is there a "Remove from Party" code? That would easily remove any resurrection resistance necessity.

As far as her "scrapped" state, you could just use the "Cast Spell at Creature" effect inside an "Apply Effect on Condition", with the condition being health=1 HP.

I think there's also coding for making monsters to stop perceiving someone/something as an enemy and thus stop attacking a certain target but I'm not quite sure. I haven't used DLTCEP for a while now

And I only suggested the regeneration part for consistency with her self-repairing protocols. I meant only something on the line of "Filler-regeneration-ability-to-add-to-the-characters-believability".


And for the junkyard parts appearance part: One could easily use the "polymorph" effect for that but I don't think there's any creature in the BG avatars set that looks even remotely like a pile of junk, so so much for that .

//Sebastian

Edited by Sebastian, 01 December 2008 - 07:20 AM.