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[Daxs]

Though not too popular, people seem to have taken a liking to Zungmar, the Orcish Barbarian. As such, I will give him the chance to shine he might deserve.

Zungmar Pinkbreaker
Race: Orc
Class: Barbarian
Alignment: True Neutral

Str 19 - Zungmar does possess great strength above that of even exceptional humans.
Dex 16 - Zungmar tends to wander and needs to stay on his toes to handle attackers.
Con 18 - He's sturdy by far. Built orc tough.
Int 5 - Zungmar suffers idiocy, not by choice. His mannerism is a bit sexist, and his knowledge is limited. Big words confuse him as does word tensation.
Wis 13 - For what he does know, he's sharp enough. Zungmar can grasp concepts and has a capacity to understand right from wrong... he mostly doesn't care too much.
Chr 10 - There may be something about him that makes him appealing. If anything he should be dead, but he's likable enough to survive unaccosted in a human city.

Total: 81

Weapon Proficiencies:
Spear: ++
Club: +
Bastard Sword: +
Longbow: +
Two Handed Weapon: +


Story: Zungmar's orcish clan lives on the edge of the Windspear Hills... most of them however have come to serve a dragon named Fiirkrag. Zungmar had his doubts about this service, and when you meet him, he will be on his way out from the cavern, begging for your help against this foe.

It turns out, Zungmar got cold feet in the face of an infernal dragon, though perhaps his mere knowledge that he mightn't survive against him was a sensible one.

Zungmar's quest here is to kill Fiirkrag dead. You can, technically appease him with the rescue of Garen's child, but he'll nag you to return, and may even leave until you meet him at the hills once again.


Zungmar isn't as ignorant of humanity as one may suspect. He has been to Athkatla trying to pass himself off as a half-orc with decent success. It was successful enough that he fears that he may very well have left some bastard children in his wake. His caution should be heeded as to certain areas, but fate will likely bring us those directions.


Zungmar likes the ladies, though he's not a fan of elves: female humans, Half-orcs, Dwarves and gnomes suit his appetites for romance.


Personality: Zungmar doesn't give a crap about most things in his True Neutrality. He respects Charname for his sheer power, as intriguing as it is, but doesn't know how to word himself most of the time. He stammers a lot not because he hesitates or is unsure of himself but because he doesn't know all that much common and therefore knows not the words to say to begin with.

With his limited words, he manages on strength, but doesn't like using it when he doesn't have to.

His understanding of religion is skewed too. He finds Gruumsh and most of the orc pantheon to be cowards unworthy of his worship or respect since all they want is death and forget to hone themselves. Zungmar has indeed lived a lot longer than 30 years of age healthily because he cares about survival rather than just war.

To this end, Zungmar is a faithless, and even with his limited knowledge cares not that he will fade away into the Wall of the Faithless. It gives him a certain respect for Valygar at the very least, though Zungmar is far more extroverted and different than Valygar can truly respect.

TLDR: Zungmar is blunter than his cudgel. He says what he feels and feels for what he says. He is mostly indifferent, but in the end he won't be devious or spiteful. He will try to flirt with women, he has no god, and thinks the best answer to everything is to not care so much. He's somewhat of a middle man in a world of ham... but the pigs don't taste good.


Relations with other NPCs:

Aerie: Zungmar cannot find time to bother even respecting one god, but Aerie confusedly venerates two. To Zungmar, she is an oddity, a pretty oddity, but she confuses him greatly. In turn, Aerie doesn't trust Zungmar as his attitude is akin to that of a drunked, horny ruffian... though that's mostly just his social clumsiness coming into play.

Keldorn: Zungmar wonders how Keldorn would do without his Torm god crutch to back his every action. Keldorn in turn finds Zungmar different than most orcs he's ever been up against, though is intriguied by his potential for goodness. Trying to convert Zungmar is... not gonna succeed.

Viconia: The drow is spitfire, mocking the Orc for being so different, but Zungmar can calmly retort. There are no blows, but Zungmar finds the pretty elf girl too open about her being what she is and should just not care like he doesn't.

Minsc: Zungmar thinks Minsc is dangerous for the wrong reasons. He has Gruumshian logic though altruistic in nature rather than malicious. To the orc, Minsc doesn't think before he leaps into battle and that to him is a problem because drawing too much attention can be bad.

To Zungmar, the fuzzy snack is bothersome too. Minsc is clearly wasting good food, and when confronted, Minsc misunderstands Zungmar's words:

Zungmar: Why is you, uh, keeping fuzzy meal?
Minsc: Minsc carries Boo's food because Boo needs to eat too!
Zungmar: Erm, not what me asking.

To Zungmar, he wants to eat the rat, but he doesn't. Zungmar sees great power in Minsc and knows that love can drive some insane actions.


Valygar: As stated before, Valygar in Zungmar's mind is kinship. They are faithless and will dissolve on the wall. Valygar and Zungmar both are indifferent, but beyond that, they are different. Zungmar enjoys partaking in the fast life with women, partly because he knows he's probably ancient by orc standards, and will persue women, Valygar as we know fears spreading his magical bloodline.

Nalia: To the orc, she's young, prime and gots pretty red hair. Nalia, despite her claims of caring about the needy cannot hide her feeling of 'aboveness' to Orcs and even those of mixed orc breed. Beyond that, Zungmar will try to play her ways for the 'dirt' against her in regards to bedroom fun. Of course, Nalia can easily outsmart him by a score of 12.

Could there be a romantic path between these two, or is the 'two outcasts' way of Viconia a better option? Do I dare be kinky and suggest both?

Jan: This guy tells too many stories and doesn't make enough meat. Even as a more sensibler orc, his diet is still heavily of meat. As well, Jan's technology just hurts his head as much as his stories.

Cernd: When it comes to uncaring parents, none are like Cernd, not even Keldorn comes close: Zungmar doesn't either. When he discovers his late-teen daughter, Zungmar cares more than he'd be expected to. The girl, having become a Cleric/Thief, doesn't want for him to be there. Cernd however just disturbs him since he has a chance to help his kid. Possibly, this could bring a wolf druid to come to blows with a lonewold barbarian... I'm not sure though. Before the shared discovery, Zungmar will simply not understand his metaphores and koans but will leave him be.

Jaheira: To Zungmar, Jaheira is trying to hard to fight for that which he feels doesn't need to be fought for: indifference. Of course, the druidess definitely has a goal and mission, but Zungmar will struggle to understand. Jaheira, being the mothering sharp tongued sort will try to make Zungmar fit in better amongst society, if only for Charname's sake.

Edwin: Edwin is bipolar or split personality, and Zungmar doesn't get it. Not too used to mages, Zungmar will easily be confused by Edwin's magical feats, to which the showoff cannot help but gloat to about his greatness. Oddly enough, when magical estrogen scrolls become used, Zungmar becomes rightly afraid and doesn't even try to partake:

Zungmar: You is illu... uh, trick! Got man thingie hided good!


Yoshimo: This guy as far as Zungmar's concerned, needs to stop talking wierd. There won't be much dialogue between them, despite both being fairly neutral about most things in life.

Mazzy: She, like Keldorn, is seen as an experiment of remove the god. Of course, Mazzy isn't as tolerant or wise as Keldorn, so she'll be a bit more harsh in her responses. As well, Zungmar is intrigued how such a tiny thing can pack a wallop.

Korgan: Korgan likes Zungmar for the same reason he has any respect for the two canon rangers: strength! Of course, he'll gloat about how he's killed plenty of orcs before. Zungmar will usually shrug and say that they had it coming. In truth, Korgan is likely the most neutral party to Zungmar as far as any dialogue conflict.

Haer-Dalis: To Haer, Zungmar is a roc. This can lead to hilarious misunderstandings in the english version.

Zungmar: Me is not a stone! I are got brain, and you hurting it with words.
Haer'Dalis: Your simple humor would win you a large stage, my roc.

Beyond the confusion, neither have too much to say to one another. Zungmar mostly just brushes off the bard's words with simple 'uh huh's and goes on scratching his ass. He does see him as a threat to big pimpin.

Imoen: Zungmar wants to make Imoen happy for real rather than leaving her to pretend to be happy so he can get a 'reward.' To Imoen, Zungmar is another companion but he does smell worse than the rooms of the monks back home and he could do with at least a fly swatter. To Zungmar:

Zungmar: This balls god... he, uh, he need to go! I gots two for you and they not gods if you wants play.


Sarevok: Sarevok is not natural! He's an undead who lives and has been insanely fanatical towards Bhall. Sarevok sees the orc as another pawn to Charname:

Sarevok: I'm surprised my brother/sister is associating with creatures I barely enjoyed working with when the time to rise even began.
Zungmar: At least me not have died!


Have I forgotten any non-mod characters? I'm pretty sure I haven't. I might add a section on some mod characters.

[Ipsissimus]

You left out Anomen, I believe.

Zungmar sounds quite interesting--looks like you've put a lot of thought into this A couple of Zungmar's lines made me laugh, too. So no angst, no "uber speshul-ness," genuine mental deficiency, and humor to boot. It would be great if you decided to start writing him as a joinable NPC, in fact.

BTW, your other character ideas sound quite intriguing as well. If you choose to further develop any of them--or keep working on Zungmar, for that matter--then best of luck You've got quite a few interesting and original ideas.

[Daxs]

Yes, Anomen! But it was... well, a good reason.

He's the romance conflict, and to be honest, I'm not sure where to put him. He's not just another 'take the god outta the man' game but he's moving in on Zungmar's woman or vice versa.

The problem is, most mods make Anomen into a douchebag without any redeeming qualities or a chance to even sound like he has a good romance conflict retort. I want to make Anomen actually sound like he's winning from time to time about evenly matching wit with Zungmar.

[Ipsissimus]

Anomen has a snarky side--"fair Edwina," for instance. Given his noble background, he presumably received a decent education; I think he'd be able to win a verbal conflict. Maybe Zungmar would have a couple comments to CN Anomen, or just about Anomen's temper and frequent lack of forethought. Also, Zungmar would obviously be a better fighter than Anomen; maybe they'd argue over their relative abilities to protect the PC, as Zungmar has better physical stats, but Anomen has healing spells. Anomen might take offence at Zungmar's lack of civility--perhaps to him, it's not proper for this barbarian (literally) to court a woman like the PC.

Many mods seem to make Anomen into an arrogant, ignorant twerp. A couple even interject into his lovetalks. IMHO the problem is that some authors focus on Ano's arrogance and temper and really, there's more to him than that. With romance conflicts, the fact is that he genuinely cares for the PC. As a knight, he might want to treat her like he would a noble lady, protecting her as best he can. But as the PC is an experienced adventurer, is this care, or is it just demeaning?

[Daxs]

Well... not quite.

The thing is, the really big romance conflict will come after both discover their big life changing events if I can make it work.

I'm not sure if the whole Moira's murder event starts at (romance,2) aka the committed phase.

Anomen also might be the one to realize or more to the point, hold the realization that Zungmar is an orc. This gives him a sense of discontent with charname's choice of party composition as well as possibly being the only character to really anger Zungmar for reasons unrelated to romance.

Anomen and Zungmar will get into conflict about family and I wanted to give it an interesting twist:

Zungmar's daughter would be a Lawful Neutral cleric/thief who worships Helm... the idea as I pondered it almost makes me want to make her a playable mod as well.

Thing is, as a Helmite, Zungmar will wonder why Anomen never told him about her since he himself is a Helm priest and probably has worked at the temple as well as the Order.

Anomen: I suppose every half-orc here is supposed to be your offspring? Then again, the way you boast your disgusting habits, I wouldn't be surprised!

Things get heated when you discover his sister's death though:

Anomen: You should've been a better father! You remind me of my own!
Zungmar: You should... erh, been better sib... uh, brother! You reminds me of tribe.

I'm not sure I want this to become a violent encounter because the duel thing is tried in Kelsey.


Should Anomen fail his test, Zungmar will sympathize with him.

Zungmar: That what happen when you losing god then. Me see why one take one... alm... erm, maybe.

In the end, Zungmar will try to convince Anomen to manage without favor. Perhaps to this end, Anomen can get some wisdom compensation after a long series of dialogues.

If Anomen succeeds, he becomes more tolerant of Zungmar's race being an orc. He even appologizes for such poor judgement, realizing it was against Helm's teachings to judge by anything other than actions.

Speaking of stat quests, Zungmar might get a small quest to boost his intellect by 3. The way he is, the Orc gets 1 shot by Illithids with his 5 int stat. Playing smart though, you can use your barbaric rage to possibly resist their stopping effects, but I'm not sure.

[Ipsissimus]

Moira's murder is part of the "progressing" romance (RomanceActive 1), and this quest can lead to Anomen failing or passing his test. Lord Cor's death is after Anomen's romance is set to 2.

Sounds interesting, though.

[berelinde]

I loved this idea before and I still love it. I wish you success.

[Daxs]

The biggest hurdle I'll have over other mods is orcish aspects. There is no 'orc' race so I don't want to bug the game out. The orc model is not suited for Zungmar's style and Half-orcs share with humans.

As well, 2ed Orc racial stats/bonuses. Maybe I'm not looking well, but I can't find them. Mine may even be illegal...

I'm not sure I'm ready to really actually mod it out just yet even still as I'm still learning.


For now, some banters! Watch as I butcher the cast really badly!


Viconia: So, swine... what's it like to stick out like a stain.
Zungmar: Uh, hrm... Me not know. You like... uh, the head hiding hood?
Viconia: I'm surprised you could even notice. Though I catch your slack jawed stare, much like any Jaluk!
Zungmar: Uh, me not know... um, juku, but why you hide. Gots nice hair.
Viconia: If circumstance were different you'd be punished if you dared to look away. I can't say I'm... flattered, as surfacers call it, since many a man would die for me. Keep your distance, green skin:you never know what you might get!


Zungmar: Erm, Valy, Vayg... human names is hard!
Valygar: What do you want Zungmar?
Zungmar: Uhm, um... Is it being... uh, true you has no god?
Valygar: Your point?
Zungmar: We is like!
Valygar: I fail to see how. I also fail to see a reason to discuss this with you of all people.
Zungmar: But me...
Valygar: I said no!


Edwina: What do you want, pig monkey? (As if I'm not without problems that constrain my greatness as is)
Zungmar: Stop dresses like woman! It gross!
Edwina: (Irony is far beyond you, green one.) You make it sound like I'd want to BE a woman! There's nothing worse than to be a woman.
Zungmar: Nuh uh! Um, me gets women, and they feels good. Me uses, uh, tongue it called, and me put it in...
Edwina: Your sandpaper flesh eater is not something I wish to even think about, Orc! (I feel nauseous. No wonder being a woman is so bad.)


Aerie: Zungmar, are- are you okay?
Zungmar: Me am great! Zungmar are strong so me is... uh, awes um? Is that word?
Aerie: Hehe. No, I meant that y-you're staring... a-at me!
Zungmar: You is, uh, beau... bea... pretty for elf.
Aerie: Um, Zungmar. I don't want to be rude, but I want you to not stare at me. Please!
Zungmar: Oh... well, me sorry.
Aerie: Y-you're not used to this sort of um, civilization. Still, I... I'd appreciate it.
Zungmar: Daah, okay!


Keldorn: Well, you're quite a sight, there. I've seen, well, slain many orcs in my day, but rarely have they had the courage you do.
Zungmar: They don't. You not gonna call me beast?
Keldorn: Why should I? You've proven quite the opposite thus far. It is of course Charname's choice to keep you around, but so far I can't complain.

(After both characters have family fiascos)

Zungmar: Um, Kelg... Kelgorn?
Keldorn: It's Keldorn. What do you want, Zungmar?
Zungmar: You has, uh, famly, no?
Keldorn: Are you concerned about your daughter.
Zungmar: I bad father, right?
Keldorn: (sigh) No worse than I am. I'd rather not talk about my own situation, but yours was beyond your control and fortunately she seems to be in capable hands... (laugh) She's a servant of Helm, after all.
Zungmar: Um... whu?
Keldorn: I'm sure if you give her some time, she'll give you a second chance.
Zungmar: Is you sure?
Keldorn: I am.


Hopefully this isn't too hacking of the Bioware crew... is it?!

[berelinde]

Two bits of advice, if you want it.

First, don't give up. That's the most important part.

Second, get yourself an editor. It will change your life for the better. I've had the pleasure of working with one lately, and I don't know how I ever managed before. Seriously, just getting somebody else to read your stuff and suggest alternates is the best.

[Ipsissimus]

Well, in BG at least, half-orcs receive +1 to maximum strength and constitution, and -1 to max intelligence. So that seems fine. Also, if you install the excellent One Pixel Productions mod, the paperdolls are all tweaked, so they're both better-looking and more distinctive. Even in the vanilla game, half-orcs look a bit different from humans, but 1PP makes it more obvious.


Looking at the banters one at a time:

Viconia: So, swine... what's it like to stick out like a stain.
Zungmar: Uh, hrm... Me not know. You like... uh, the head hiding hood?
Viconia: I'm surprised you could even notice. Though I catch your slack jawed stare, much like any Jaluk!
Zungmar: Uh, me not know... um, juku, but why you hide. Gots nice hair.
Viconia: If circumstance were different you'd be punished if you dared to look away. I can't say I'm... flattered, as surfacers call it, since many a man would die for me. Keep your distance, green skin:you never know what you might get!

According to the Chosen of Eilistraee Drow translator, the Drow word for "orc" is "cretok." But canonically speaking, "iblith" or "filth" seems to be one of Viconia's favorite words. Viconia is also generally very sarcastic, preferring snippy or caustic comments to saying outright "you're an idiot," and she rarely uses exclamation marks. She's more disdainful than spiteful, IMHO, and seems not to waste the energy to be truly annoyed, preferring to snipe instead. For reference, if you don't already, I recommend using Infinity Explorer or NearInfinity to read game dialogue. Helps a lot

Zungmar: Erm, Valy, Vayg... human names is hard!
Valygar: What do you want Zungmar?
Zungmar: Uhm, um... Is it being... uh, true you has no god?
Valygar: Your point?
Zungmar: We is like!
Valygar: I fail to see how. I also fail to see a reason to discuss this with you of all people.
Zungmar: But me...
Valygar: I said no!

Ah, Valygar, truly a man of few words With me being again very nitpicky here, Val is perhaps more likely to leave it at "Yes" in his second line here, and something equally terse in his third. Perhaps simply "If you say so" as the last line in the banter?

Edwina: What do you want, pig monkey? (As if I'm not without problems that constrain my greatness as is)
Zungmar: Stop dresses like woman! It gross!
Edwina: (Irony is far beyond you, green one.) You make it sound like I'd want to BE a woman! There's nothing worse than to be a woman.
Zungmar: Nuh uh! Um, me gets women, and they feels good. Me uses, uh, tongue it called, and me put it in...
Edwina: Your sandpaper flesh eater is not something I wish to even think about, Orc! (I feel nauseous. No wonder being a woman is so bad.)

Edwin as Edwina is rather...humbled, due to his extreme humiliation and the near-constant teasing he/she receives. And Eddie doesn't mutter all the time (Merely when my so-called "companions" are distracted. Fools, every one of them.) Would it be possible that Zungmar would just think "hey, where'd Edwin go" and start hitting on Edwina?

Aerie: Zungmar, are- are you okay?
Zungmar: Me am great! Zungmar are strong so me is... uh, awes um? Is that word?
Aerie: Hehe. No, I meant that y-you're staring... a-at me!
Zungmar: You is, uh, beau... bea... pretty for elf.
Aerie: Um, Zungmar. I don't want to be rude, but I want you to not stare at me. Please!
Zungmar: Oh... well, me sorry.
Aerie: Y-you're not used to this sort of um, civilization. Still, I... I'd appreciate it.
Zungmar: Daah, okay!

The only thing I'd say here is that Aerie doesn't stutter that often--she isn't Khalid, after all This one conjures up some...interesting imagery, to say the least. But good job Not commenting on the Keldorn banters because both seem fine to me


Again, good luck with this

[Miloch]

The biggest hurdle I'll have over other mods is orcish aspects. There is no 'orc' race so I don't want to bug the game out. The orc model is not suited for Zungmar's style and Half-orcs share with humans.

Also, if you install the excellent One Pixel Productions mod, the paperdolls are all tweaked, so they're both better-looking and more distinctive. Even in the vanilla game, half-orcs look a bit different from humans, but 1PP makes it more obvious.

I'm pretty sure half-orcs use the human animation. The only difference would be how you colour it (grey-green skin or whatever). But yes, I think 1PP adds a different half-orc paperdoll. There is an orc "race" and also a hack by Taimon to get it to appear on the character screen. As for the animation, you would have to go with the human as well, though maybe you could get someone to modify it. The orc melee slots (MOR1 and MOR3) have hardcoded axes, and none of the orcs are paletted (meaning you can't see different colours if you change them). The hobgoblin (MHOB) is though, and I think supports weapon animations. A hobgoblin with grey-green skin might be believable as an orc.

As well, 2ed Orc racial stats/bonuses. Maybe I'm not looking well, but I can't find them. Mine may even be illegal...

Well, in BG at least, half-orcs receive +1 to maximum strength and constitution, and -1 to max intelligence. So that seems fine.

Orcish maximum stats in 2e are S-18, D-17, C-18, I-16, W-16, Ch-12. But I don't know if that accounts for a +1 to Str and -2 to Cha so I guess a 19 might be ok. It's not like Bioware NPCs don't have "illegal" stats anyhow. For that matter, half-orcs have the same Strength max and bonus, though they also get a +1 to Con with a max of 19 (per the 2e Complete Book of Humanoids). And yes, that's a *16* maximum intelligence! How about making an orc who isn't stereotypically stupid for a change?

Orcs (but not half-orcs) have a -1 penalty to attack rolls and morale in direct sunlight. Would be possible to script by checking the area type (outdoors) and time of day. Would be disabled if the AI lantern is off, unless you stuffed it in the global script baldur.bcs (which is lame). They can also spot "unusual constructions" 35% of the time, which could pass for a Find Traps skill bonus I suppose.

[Phobia]

This sure is an interesting NPC, dare I say unique? Though I don't know if I agree with "true neutral equals absolute indifference". I wouldn't say Jaheira is indifferent, as you describe her. She does care, but she shows it in her own strong motherly way. Cernd also cares and clearly displays intense emotion in certain points of the game.

So we have an orcish barbarian with limited speech and social skills, albeit more than the average orc. He's blunt and doesn't care about virtually everything, has left a dozen women (rape victims?) with child, flirts with every girl he can find and will possibly romance Nalia of all people, tries to go all Darwin on the priests and paladins (quite a feat for an orc), and he's a romance option for female Bhaalspawn? How would a romance work if he doesn't give a crap? You know, aside from using the PC as a sex toy.

And a little tip: In addition to reading the game dialog in NearInfinity or InfinityExplorer, try to imagine how the Biowares would verbally say the words you write for them. It really helped me keep them in character.

[Kaeloree]

I would have to agree with Phobia--before writing banters, spend some time listening to their lines in Near Infinity or suchlike. It really helps to get the voice right!

[Daxs]

Good points are brought up, though I never said he was a rapist. To me that borders on the hedonistic cruelty of Neutral Evil, and he's not very motivated to be evil.

In fact, he's just got something about him that has gotten him luck with some women.

The story of his bastard child is not a rape story either. A human woman, a youthful knight is lost near an orcish camp and would surely have been cut down if Zungmar hadn't directed her a safe escape. She was... greatful to say the least.

That's not to say he's a wuss and that he doesn't care about everything. He's just learned growing up that asking too many questions or too much doubt will get you hurt or dead in orc society.

To say he cares about nothing is perhaps too literal, though perhaps I set myself up for it. The more he stays with the party, the more he opens up a bit to them due to the fact that they're accepting him in spite of his race. His attraction for characters is not a sadistic thing either. For the most part, he is lonely, especially as an orc without a god or a tribe to call his own.

As he learns about the Bhaal heritage of your character, he may wonder about it and realize that she's different too and thus, a similarity can be found in their difference from the norm.

As such, most of his npc romances fail since they're not impressed by his strength mixed with his humbleness. The more I think on it, they probably all should, but could stir up some interesting romance issues.

In truth, I could've given him more int, and in the end, I might, as the whole 'Mindflayer weakness' is laughable since in a situation where they can hit once, they'll likely get a second strike.

Unfortunately, my harddrive is broken and I need a new one... fun, so most of my data I don't know if its salvagable. Not that I had much data, but reinstalling all the needed mods is always choresome.... another story alltogether


Of course, the whole thing might need a backburner for a bit. I do have other ideas that might be a bit easier to manage.

[Miloch]

Not that I had much data, but reinstalling all the needed mods is always choresome.... another story alltogether

You don't need, and in fact shouldn't have, any mods whatsoever to make your own mod - just modding tools (NI and DLTCEP, which are easy enough to get and install). Sure, you might want to add content for other mod NPCs down the line, but that should be low priority, and can always go in something like Crossmod later anyway.

[Daxs]

It's actually funny how the original concept came about:

I was thinking of a character that'd be... different. And then I thought, there aren't a lot of Half-orcs, are there? The ones I've seen are all fightery pit fighters. But what about those other classes...

And then I thought, Zungmar could be an assassin. But then I thought, hmmm, that extra con goes to waste. Maybe he could be a thuggish Fighter/Thief... and then I felt he needed more thug and wanted Barbarian...

And then I figured: Give em a choice! Zungmar would be installable with 3 option classes with minimal story differences as a behind the scenes, indifferent hitman.

As a half-orc, he'd have been more intelligent and less funny word play gamish... and then I remembered: Orcs are also cool. Humans are boring, so maybe I should remove that aspect from the character... now I'm thinking of going back to that idea of Half-orc who hangs around the corners of cities to avoid unwanted attention... maybe.

[Eric P.]

It's actually funny how the original concept came about:

I was thinking of a character that'd be... different. And then I thought, there aren't a lot of Half-orcs, are there? The ones I've seen are all fightery pit fighters. But what about those other classes...

And then I thought, Zungmar could be an assassin. But then I thought, hmmm, that extra con goes to waste. Maybe he could be a thuggish Fighter/Thief... and then I felt he needed more thug and wanted Barbarian...

And then I figured: Give em a choice! Zungmar would be installable with 3 option classes with minimal story differences as a behind the scenes, indifferent hitman.

As a half-orc, he'd have been more intelligent and less funny word play gamish... and then I remembered: Orcs are also cool. Humans are boring, so maybe I should remove that aspect from the character... now I'm thinking of going back to that idea of Half-orc who hangs around the corners of cities to avoid unwanted attention... maybe.

CON is never a waste As for class options, Barbarian and Berserker are excellent choices for a Half-Orc!

Happy modding,
Eric

[Miloch]

there aren't a lot of Half-orcs, are there? The ones I've seen are all fightery pit fighters. But what about those other classes...

And then I thought, Zungmar could be an assassin. But then I thought, hmmm, that extra con goes to waste. Maybe he could be a thuggish Fighter/Thief... and then I felt he needed more thug and wanted Barbarian...

There is only one I know of, and he is a barbarian (Mulgore). But I'm not sure even that really counts, since it's not exactly a full-fledged NPC, more like a one-day project. Haven't played it though, just judging from what I've read. Barbarian and F/T are probably the best options for half-orcs, short of custom kits or multi-kits (especially the latter if you allow the quasi-cheat to get fighter proficiencies like 4 stars).

I'm thinking of going back to that idea of Half-orc who hangs around the corners of cities to avoid unwanted attention... maybe.

That might be cool, and brings to mind the likes of half-orcs I've mentioned before like Bill Ferny's friend in Bree who rats out the hobbits to the Ringwraiths (possibly even Ferny himself had some orc in him). A non-evil character might have other motives though.

CON is never a waste

Anything above 16 is a waste for non-fighters in 2nd edition rules, as the maximum bonus you can otherwise get is +2 HP per level.

[Phobia]

Good points are brought up, though I never said he was a rapist. To me that borders on the hedonistic cruelty of Neutral Evil, and he's not very motivated to be evil.

Hence the question mark. I was asking, not assuming.

In fact, he's just got something about him that has gotten him luck with some women.

I wonder what that something is, I wonder?

The story of his bastard child is not a rape story either. A human woman, a youthful knight is lost near an orcish camp and would surely have been cut down if Zungmar hadn't directed her a safe escape. She was... greatful to say the least.

It can happen, but it seems like a rather slutty way to thank a random orc for guiding her away from an encampment, especially because she's a knight. Is she Sunite, or does she do every helpful orc, ogre and bugbear she comes across?

That's not to say he's a wuss and that he doesn't care about everything. He's just learned growing up that asking too many questions or too much doubt will get you hurt or dead in orc society.

I'm glad to read where it comes from.

To say he cares about nothing is perhaps too literal, though perhaps I set myself up for it. The more he stays with the party, the more he opens up a bit to them due to the fact that they're accepting him in spite of his race. His attraction for characters is not a sadistic thing either. For the most part, he is lonely, especially as an orc without a god or a tribe to call his own.

As he learns about the Bhaal heritage of your character, he may wonder about it and realize that she's different too and thus, a similarity can be found in their difference from the norm.

As such, most of his npc romances fail since they're not impressed by his strength mixed with his humbleness. The more I think on it, they probably all should, but could stir up some interesting romance issues.

I understand this too. Just be careful and try not to make him too popular. It takes spotlight away from the other NPC's and the PC, and it would make me (and others) wonder what all those Faerunian girls see in this orc, instead of any other inhabitant of the Realms. Seeing an orc surrounded by a dozen girls swooning and drooling over him makes my eyes roll. I don't care how big he is.

Unfortunately, my harddrive is broken and I need a new one... fun, so most of my data I don't know if its salvagable. Not that I had much data, but reinstalling all the needed mods is always choresome.... another story alltogether

Of course, the whole thing might need a backburner for a bit. I do have other ideas that might be a bit easier to manage

Backup you should have, young padawan...