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[Lucythebeast]

Now that most of you have had enough time to play the SoA section of Chloe at least once, I figure I'll put up this thread for suggestions, requests, pleas, wacky hare-brained ideas, and so forth. I won't necessarily use any of it, as I won't make that guarantee, but I might or it might spark other ideas for me. It's also a handy cheap way to get some activity in this forum other than "I think I messed up on my romance" threads. So... I open the floor to the rest of you.

[Gabrielle]

Have the two of them get married in ToB and have the happy option at the end of the game they would settle down and live happily ever after.

[Warder]

I rather like Billy's suggestion. :)

Also, I'm a fan of sappy stuff. I wouldn't mind lots of focus on the -romance- part and plenty of interactions. I want love talks up the wazoo! Also, I'd love to see Chloe and the PC to leave the rest of the party behind for some kind of quest that involves them both personally, to rejoin the others later.

[Bri]

Well, for those who wish some kind of pregnancy, they wouldn't have to go the route of a wish...

Just use an item like the belt of gender change (yeah, I know a cursed item) or some variation on a polymorph spell on one of the females, for a specific period of time...*shrugs*

[Seifer]

It would be great to see more interjections, especially the ones that make Chloe seem as if she's been around the adventuring world (maybe she and Demogorgon have fought before?)

Considering he has been holed up for the last billion years or so this is highly unlikely

[Kish]

It will be interesting to see what the Master Wraith conjures up to blame Chloe for, and how she reacts to it. One thing that bothered me when I did the Tashia romance was that she saw right through the Master Wraith--it made her seem Mary Sue-ish, so I'm hoping Chloe will react more like a Bioware romance interest there.

Discussing having a baby could be interesting. Does Chloe want children? Does CHARNAME want children? Does Imoen want children? Obviously if Chloe's involved with Imoen, whether they have a baby or not is beyond the player's control, but if Chloe's involved with CHARNAME, it would be better if it was optional depending on dialogue (and perhaps CHARNAME has to actively talk Chloe into it, rather than just acceding to a suggestion from her).

Using a Wish sounds less drastic than one of them changing genders, actually. And less distasteful--that is, Chloe herself, as well as any character I play who romances Chloe, is unlikely to want sexual contact with a male body no matter whose mind is in the body.

[Kish]

however, how would one of them fight if pregnent?

Pregnancy normally takes nine months for a human woman. I doubt very many people spend more than, at the most, two months in all of ToB. A two-months pregnant woman is nowhere near having significant physical restrictions.

[Bri]

Ah yes, the distaste thing about changing sex, I didn't think of that, but I can see where that would definitely play a role as well. Heh, I was only offering an alternative rather than just using a wish spell though ;-)

But the whole thing with pregnancy should be something that might come up in an epilogue (as directed by conversation pieces) rather than have one actually get pregnant (if Chloe uses this, that is...none of this Aerie few days instant pregnanc nonsense)

[Lucythebeast]

I think we've heard enough about pregnancy. So... anything else? heh

[Kish]

A wedding, like Gabrielle suggested, or at least plans for one after the war is over, would be nice. Some dialogues with Chloe that involve planning our future. Some indications of how Chloe's personality has changed since the beginning of SoA--it's my firm belief that real people change constantly, though usually in small ways, and characters who always remain exactly the same are far less interesting than those who show personality changes.

[Colstan]

I'm not too interested in the pregnancy thing. "Been there done that" with Aerie. It's not my call so I'll leave it at that.

Problem with ToB is that it's short and the environment is not conducive to a relaxed relationship at any point except maybe Amkethran. An idea I've kicked around is using the pocket plane "transporter" to go to other locations. Perhaps the PC and Chloe could travel back to some areas from BG1 or SoA. Another idea is to snag some areas from other Infinity Engine games and use the pocket portal to travel to them.

Some examples: spend a cozy night by the fire in the frigid towns of Easthaven (IWD1) or Targos (IWD2). Have a "moment on the beach" in the jungles of Chult (IWD2). Maybe even travel to Sigil (Torment) and visit the Sensates. If nothing complex is required, then perhaps a simple romantic dinner somewhere. Can't be killing Yuan-Ti, dragons, ogres and Golems all the time.

I also like the idea of a wedding. Perhaps jump back to Baldur's Gate or even Candlekeep to have the ceremony. Many possibilities when you have got your own personal transporter.

Other than that, I would like some more dialogue between Minsc and Chloe.

Colstan

[Lucythebeast]

To be honest, I don't really care for the pregnancy idea either. I mean, I can see why people would be interested in it, but I don't think I could include it for a variety of reasons, including but not limited to:

1) It makes more of a pro-gay statement than I intended with the mod as it basically says "They don't even NEED a man involved to make a baby! Which invalidates heterosexual couples." As I've stated numerous times, the mod is not intended to be a "yay gay!" statement. I went through many pains to limit the amount of negativity focused on the homosexual elements, instead choosing to have npcs focus the negative feelings to Chloe's personality instead. I also made a big effort to have homosexuality be seen as natural and nothing more than a less common but accepted lifestyle choice.

2) The "no need for a man to make a baby" statement itself. Yes, it's a fictional game in a fictional world with fictional magic that does cool things like bring people back to life and turn them to stone and such, but fundamental things like "you need an egg cell and a sperm cell to make a baby" just shouldn't be changed if you're still dealing with humans and two-gendered humanoids. Yeah there's nothing stopping a gay couple from either adopting a baby or having outside assistance to make a baby, and they make just as good parents as hetero couples, but still, a man should be necessary to make a baby, just as a woman should be. You also have to consider that this not only makes a "who needs men?" statement, but also a "gay couples are even more unnatural than you think! They don't even have to respect natural law in Forgotten Realms!" statement... it's a double-edged sword. Either way, it's not something I want to say.

3) I don't think either the PC or Chloe is ready for a child anyway. The PC is going through a hellish ordeal, first with having to track down and rescue her sister from a mad wizard and then losing her soul and having to get it back whilst turning into a rampaging mindless beast that goes after loved ones. Then once that's over with, a group of the PC's half-siblings start trying to kill her and she's thrust into the middle of a war between family members. This doesn't exclude the possibility of a child after ToB, but that's another matter. As for Chloe, play the Chloe-Imoen romance to see how Chloe responds to the idea of having a child. If you can't tell that Chloe is by no means ready for a child, then I'm not a very good writer.

4) This then leads to the question of whether a child could be involved in an epilogue. Well, I'm not saying it couldn't be involved, but would it have to be explicit? Like "Some years after they had been together, the PC and Chloe had a baby. They got a house with a white picket fence and got a dog and lived happily ever after" It just doesn't seem right to me. An implied child could be far more effective... like "The PC and Chloe found happines and fulfillment with each other, and their relationship broadened in ways neither of them ever expected." and blah blah with other stuff. The player could then interpret the latter in any manner he or she wished, as to whether that meant they had a child together by whatever means, or if they just found new and interesting ways to express their love for one another, or even if they got involved in a broader relationship, like where another person (likely Imoen) was involved. As it's the player's interpretation, it would mean the player would be right, no matter what they thought. This, I think, is a much better alternative than saying "Yeah, one of em got knocked up and they had a baby together then they did this and this and then this."

Ok... I think that's enough of that. Though I'm not condemning counter-arguments, I will say I'm pretty adamant about the above. If given enough pressure, who knows, I might make an optional "baby-patch". But don't hold your breath.

[Gabrielle]

Glad to see some people liking my idea. B)

[Userunfriendly]

A wedding, like Gabrielle suggested, or at least plans for one after the war is over, would be nice. Some dialogues with Chloe that involve planning our future. Some indications of how Chloe's personality has changed since the beginning of SoA--it's my firm belief that real people change constantly, though usually in small ways, and characters who always remain exactly the same are far less interesting than those who show personality changes.

one of the biggest and most popular, and to my personal experience the funnest part of the arnel nalia romance mod was the incredibly funny and fun wedding sequence...

a wedding, with boo as ring bearer, keldy, or saravok as best man, aerie, naturally as the maid of honor, jaheira as matron of honor, and the priest you can help in amkethran officiating would be wonderful component of the mod...

much funny dialog could be said, and minsc would express surprise that both brides are wearing white dresses and veils...and of course boo would explain it to him...