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[Tetchyy]

As title suggests, party appears at entry point then black screen. Weidu log below.....

// Log of Currently Installed WeiDU Mods
// The top of the file is the 'oldest' mod
// ~TP2_File~ #language_number #component_number // [Subcomponent Name -> ] Component Name
~SETUP-SOS.TP2~ #0 #0 // Shadows Over Soubar, v1.11
~SETUP-SOS.TP2~ #0 #1 // Remorhaz walking speed adjustment (for ENGLISH version .EXE ONLY!!!)
~SETUP-TDD.TP2~ #0 #0 // The Darkest Day, v1.11
~SETUP-TDD.TP2~ #0 #1 // TDD Character Kits
~SETUP-CTB.TP2~ #0 #0 // Check The Bodies, v1.8
~SETUP-CTB-CHORES.TP2~ #0 #0 // Candlekeep Chores, v2.0
~SETUP-CTB_FF.TP2~ #0 #0 // Check the Bodies Fast Forward?
~SETUP-TS-BP.TP2~ #0 #0 // TORTURED SOULS v6.04.02 (BP Compatible Version)
~SETUP-ROT.TP2~ #0 #0 // Region Of Terror, v2.0
~SETUP-BP-BGT-WORLDMAP.TP2~ #0 #0 // Revised worldmap for the Baldur's Gate - including coloured Baldur's Gate map icons -> Installing new Worldmap for use with Mega Modification
~SETUP-BP-BGT-WORLDMAP.TP2~ #0 #2 // Use new worldmap for Throne of Bhaal as well
~1STMOD/SETUP-1STMOD.TP2~ #0 #0 // 1St Mod. Correct IDS, Scriptable Spells, and similar beneficious stuff.
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #0 // General AI Improvements
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #2 // Creature & Area Improvements -> All Creature Improvements
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #3 // Creature & Area Improvements -> Boss Improvements Only
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #4 // Alternative Harper/Xzar Plot
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #5 // Extended Reynald Sequence
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #6 // Intrigue In The Copper Coronet
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #7 // Rahul Kanakia's Potion Quest
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #8 // Revised Hell Trials
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #9 // Improved Oasis II -> IO2 Dialogue & Combat Enhancement
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #11 // Saving Sanik In Brynnlaw
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #12 // Burglary Of The Bookkeeper
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #13 // New Fate For The Dryads' Acorns
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #14 // The Tragedy Of Besamen
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #15 // Further Slaver Involvement
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #16 // Sending The Solamnic Knights Home
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #17 // Nazariel The Lich
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #18 // Reward Negotiation
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #19 // Infernal Thievery
~SETUP-AJOCMOD.TP2~ #0 #0 // AjocMod Weidu v1.5
~SETUP-MDX.TP2~ #0 #0 // Xmas Mod v1.0
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #1 // The Suna Seni/Valygar Relationship
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #2 // Kalah and What He Was Promised
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #3 // "Cat and Mouse" (Bodhi hunts you in Spellhold) by Ghreyfain
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #4 // Gorje Hilldark and the Extended Illithium Quest
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #5 // The Pai'Na/Spider's Bane Quest
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #6 // Restored Crooked Crane Inn
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #7 // Restored Encounters
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #9 // Corrected "Xzar's Creations"
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #10 // Restored Hell Minions, by SimDing0
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #11 // Gorf the Squisher Fix, by Gebhard Blucher
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #12 // Item Restorations
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #13 // Yoshimo's Original Portrait
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #14 // Anomen's Original Portrait
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #15 // NPC Portrait Restorations
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #16 // Corrected BAMs and Scripts
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #17 // Corrected Character Names and Biographies
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #18 // Restored Minor Dialogs
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #19 // Restored Bhaalspawn Powers, by David Gaider
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #20 // Extended ToB Item Descriptions
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #21 // Throne of Bhaal Minor Restorations
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #24 // Sarevok's Remorse
~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #0 // Big Picture AI/Enhancement Mod, version 177 weidu (beta)
~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #1 // Improved Suldanessallar
~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #2 // Improved Spellhold
~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #3 // Wand of Orcus Add-In
~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #4 // Improved Small Teeth Pass, by Kensai Ryu
~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #5 // Improved Kangaxx Encounter, by Kensai Ryu
~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #6 // Kensai Ryu's Improved Crypt King
~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #7 // Kensai Ryu's Gnome Fighter/Illusionist in the Docks
~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #8 // Improved Random Encounters, by Gebhard Blucher and Kensai Ryu
~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #9 // Gebhard Blucher's Lich in the Docks
~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #12 // The Ritual, by Westley Weimer
~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #15 // Ascension for BP
~SETUP-CELESTIALS.TP2~ #0 #0 // PnP Celestials
~SETUP-D0TWEAK.TP2~ #0 #0 // Enhanced Goodberries
~SETUP-D0TWEAK.TP2~ #0 #1 // Corrected Summoned Demon Behaviour
~SETUP-D0TWEAK.TP2~ #0 #2 // Corrected Demon Animations
~SETUP-D0TWEAK.TP2~ #0 #4 // Tweaked Weapon Enchantments
~SETUP-D0TWEAK.TP2~ #0 #6 // Summonning Cap Removal
~SETUP-D0TWEAK.TP2~ #0 #11 // Visual Ioun Stones
~SETUP-D0TWEAK.TP2~ #0 #13 // Kensai Ryu's Restored Drow Innate Abilities
~SETUP-D0TWEAK.TP2~ #0 #17 // Sensible Lore Table
~SETUP-D0TWEAK.TP2~ #0 #18 // Improved Backstabbing
~SETUP-D0TWEAK.TP2~ #0 #21 // BG1-Style Summoning Spells
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #20 // Change Imoen's Avatar to Mage
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #30 // Change Nalia's Avatar to Thief
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #40 // Change Viconia's Skin Color to Dark Blue
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #60 // Weapon Animation Tweaks
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #100 // Commoners Use Drab Colors
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #110 // Icon Improvements
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #120 // Change Avatar When Wearing Robes or Armor (Galactygon)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #130 // Force All Dialogue to Pause Game
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1020 // Alter HP Triggers for NPC Wounded Dialogues
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1150 // Shapeshifter Rebalancing
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1160 // Multiple Strongholds (Baldurdash)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2040 // Universal Clubs
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2050 // Description Updates for Universal Clubs Component
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2060 // Weapon Styles for All
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2100 // Allow Thieving and Stealth in Heavy Armor
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2110 // Alter Item Descriptions for 'Stealth and Thieving Abilities in Heavy Armor' Component
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2120 // Allow Arcane Spellcasting in Heavy Armor
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2130 // Alter Item Descriptions for 'Allow Arcane Spellcasting in Armor' Component
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2150 // Wear Multiple Protection Items -> P&P Restrictions
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2160 // Rebalanced Weapon Proficiencies
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2191 // Limit Ability of Storekeepers to Identify Items -> Identification Ability is Based on Storekeeper's Lore
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2200 // Multi-Class Grand Mastery (Weimer)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3031 // Easy Spell Learning -> 100% Learn Spells and No Maximum Cap
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3050 // Remove fatigue from restoration spells
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3060 // Remove "You Must Gather Your Party..." Sound (Weimer)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3070 // Low Reputation Store Discount (Sabre)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3080 // Unlimited Ammo Stacking
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3090 // Unlimited Gem and Jewelry Stacking
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3100 // Unlimited Potion Stacking
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3110 // Unlimited Scroll Stacking
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3120 // Happy Patch (Party NPCs do not fight or complain about reputation)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3150 // Turn Off The Hideous Cloak-of-Mirroring and Spell-Trap Animation
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4020 // ToB-Style NPCs
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4031 // Consistent Stats: Edwin -> Use BG2 Values
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4041 // Consistent Stats: Jaheira -> Use BG2 Values
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4050 // Change Jaheira to Neutral Good
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4061 // Consistent Stats: Minsc -> Use BG2 Values
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4071 // Consistent Stats: Viconia -> Use BG2 Values
~SETUP-XPMOD.TP2~ #0 #0 // Creature XP Reduction -> Reduce to 75%
~SETUP-XPMOD.TP2~ #0 #6 // Locks, Traps and Spells XP Reduction -> Reduce to 25%
// Recently Uninstalled: ~SETUP-XPMOD.TP2~ #0 #8 // No XP for learning spells
~SETUP-XPMOD.TP2~ #0 #8 // No XP for learning spells
~SETUP-XPMOD.TP2~ #0 #10 // Quest XP Reduction -> Reduce to 50%

Edited by Tetchyy, 16 July 2006 - 07:24 PM.

[Tetchyy]

Upon further investigation problem seems to stem from an issue with the Cyclops animation. To wit;

CYC01.cre calls for animation ID: IC_CYCLOP - 57344

It wuld appear that this was reason for crash as when I changed called animation in creature file to;

Animation ID: IC_ETTIN - 57360

Area now loads fine. Possible there may be other animation problems too now that I think of it. IKE's dungeon at the start had an oddity in it with relation to the Duregars. When enlarged they took the form of

(I Think) Death Knights, rather then Giants. Only two problems I've encounterd so far.

Thoughts.....

[seanas]

Upon further investigation problem seems to stem from an issue with the Cyclops animation. To wit;

CYC01.cre calls for animation ID: IC_CYCLOP - 57344

It wuld appear that this was reason for crash as when I changed called animation in creature file to;

Animation ID: IC_ETTIN - 57360

ok, it seems as tho something in yr install has messed with yr animations - altho i'm not sure what. SOS, TDD, CtB, RoT, and BP all alter the animations, but they're all supposed to be compatible (with the possible exception, perhaps, of RoT - but if so, i would have expected KD to mention it). so unless there's an undocumented animation clash in that lot (possible, but not probable), one of the other mods must have altered yr animations - and the only possible candidate i can see might be BG2 Tweaks (but this is only a guess, and not a very good one).

actually, i take that back: looking at KD's animation scheme, RoT does use the Cyclops animation, so possibly there's a clash between TDD and RoT - altho i'd be surprised.

[radish_hoedown]

are they not almost certified to be fully compatible?

[Tetchyy]

are they not almost certified to be fully compatible?

They who? If TDD,SOS,TS,CtB....then ya. But RoT is still working out the kinks I think. I'll monitor my game even more closely and report back. Aside from those MODS I have a number of samller one as listed up above. Its not an exact science trying to squash these things...

[seanas]

you've got BPv176 and BPv177 installed? sorry, but yr only solution is going to be reinstall.

you can try uninstall both, then reinstalling BPv177, but i make no promises that it'll fix yr problems. you've got animation conflicts - conflicts which aren't there when yr install is working - and the only way to be certain of fixing them is a fresh install.

[amitlath]

u also have some incompatible components from ease of use mod installed. you can see my weidu.log file in my sig to see the compatible components.

[amitlath]

However, I thought the only incompatible ease of use mods were these:
* Multi-Class Grand Mastery
* True Grand Mastery (extra half-attack, etc.) (Baldurdash)
* Un-Nerfed THAC0 Table, Saving Throws, Grand-Mastery, and Arcane, Divine Spell Progression
* Bonus Merchants

I have left these out and a couple of others (like traps and locks etc). So is this list really not up to date anymore?

actually since i am using bp176, maybe the compatibility list has changed since bp177. however the following i thought were incompatigle:

1. xp cap remover
2. multi strongholds
3. keep drizzt's loot
4. shapeshifter rebalancing
5. romance bugfixes
6. rest anywhere

just made that list out of memory. the guideline i had followed was that whatever was incompatible with classic non weidu bp was incompatible with bp176 and that seemed to be the general sentiment as well. maybe the more expert modders can clarify on this.

[radish_hoedown]

not at all. else converting it to weidu was almost pointless. it's far more compatible. just not with mods that overwirte instead of append.

[seanas]

on Ease of Use and incompatibilities:
1. xp cap remover - of course. BP has a better fix (ie, it goes to level 50 in multiclass)
2. multi strongholds - this is and was only ever incompatible with TS. so if you don't have TS-BP installed, it is now compatible with BP.

3. keep drizzt's loot
4. shapeshifter rebalancing
5. romance bugfixes
6. rest anywhere

all four of these were not listed as incompatible, just not listed as compatible.... they certainly work now with BP-weidu.

the parts of Ease of Use that still don't work with BP are those components which change rules (and the bonus merchants, just to prove that rules of thumb have exceptions) - grand mastery, proficiency changes, etc - and in each case, they're already addressed in BP, so you don't need them from Ease of Use (or the G3 Fixpack).

the following BP components are incompatible with Ease of Use and duplicated in BG2_Tweakpack:
* Multi-Class Grand Mastery
* True Grand Mastery (extra half-attack, etc.) (Baldurdash)
* Un-Nerfed THAC0 Table, Saving Throws, Grand-Mastery, and Arcane, Divine Spell Progression
* Bonus Merchants

the following Ease of Use component is incompatible with BP; the BG2_Tweaks version may conflict with BGT:
* Faster Chapter 1&2 Cutscenes

edited again to correct mod titles: i'm really not keeping up, and to update advice

Edited by seanas, 24 July 2006 - 05:33 AM.

[CamDawg]

the complete list of incompatible Ease of Use/ G3 Fixpack components reads:

You mean Tweaks, of course, not the Fixpack.

All of the rule changing components of BG2 Tweaks now go out to level 50, including the XP cap remover. What's the issue with Bonus Merchants and Faster Chapter 1&2 Cutscenes?

[seanas]

the bonus merchants are installed by BP as well: BP checks to see if they're already installed and skips if they're present, but BG2T doesn't.

the faster cutscenes may well be compatible with BP now: Ease of Use just dumped compiled scripts into the overide folder, but BG2T doesn't: wahey! but BG2T does compile a new PLAYER1D.bcs, which BGT (and the Imoen Romance, even if that isn't strictly BP+ related) uses.

[CamDawg]

the bonus merchants are installed by BP as well: BP checks to see if they're already installed and skips if they're present, but BG2T doesn't.

the faster cutscenes may well be compatible with BP now: Ease of Use just dumped compiled scripts into the overide folder, but BG2T doesn't: wahey! but BG2T does compile a new PLAYER1D.bcs, which BGT (and the Imoen Romance, even if that isn't strictly BP+ related) uses.

Wow, that's an incredibly stupid bug on my part. player1d.bcs shouldn't be in the compile list; that's why I have the patch code below it. This'll be fixed in the next release. I'll add a check to the bonus merchants as well.

Thanks.

[dragonian]

and are the new multiply strongholds from BG2-T compatibile with TS?

[amitlath]

should my multiclass characters get grand mastery in a bp weidu install without the component from ease of use?

[seanas]

and are the new multiply strongholds from BG2-T compatibile with TS?

god knows - altho to be honest, i've never had any trouble with multiple stronghlds; either with the olf BPv161G nor with the Weidu-ed BP + TS-BP.

should my multiclass characters get grand mastery in a bp weidu install without the component from ease of use?

yep, it's one of the basic components of BP.