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[Thanatos.]

Exactly! What does that mean?

[sdrake]

Indeed and there's always a chance to show other dimensions in NPC that aren't obvious in their vanilla banter, as long as it's in line with their general personalities (and ability scores for that matter).

I'm trying to move away from writing banters for Jan (family stories, turnips), Cernd (nature proverbs), Minsc (fighting evil with Boo), and Nalia (helping the needy), and Valygar (I hate magic, there's nothing else I have to say) but it is a challenge, especially if you don't play that NPC very much. Perhaps reading some good fan fiction would help with this.
Anyway glad to see Cason is back on track. I think Baldur's Gate needs more sort-of-evil-but-not-totally NPC's that have a lot of grey areas that could be looked at differently.

Edited by sdrake, 08 January 2009 - 08:21 PM.

[Lykainon]

Anyway glad to see Cason is back on track. I think Baldur's Gate needs more sort-of-evil-but-not-totally NPC's that have a lot of grey areas that could be looked at differently.

I agree. I don't think I've ever created a character in any context that was fully good or fully evil and I think that kind of characters are a little weird. After all, how many Lawful Good or Chaotic Evil people do you know in real life?

Something like 75% or so of my PCs have been either LN, TN or CN for pretty much that reason. And about 60% have been thieves. So I'm hopefully prepared for bringing a chaotic neutral swashbuckler into the world.

One interesting thing about the last part of your post (about looking at grey areas differently) that I've been thinking about while writing Cason is how NPCs view their own morality. If the NPCs were aware of the alignment system I doubt that all of them would nail their own alignment. For example, pre-knighting Anomen probably likes to think that he's Lawful Good (he certainly acts like the worst kind of LG paladin) and Sarevok would likely place himself at Lawful Neutral (very few see themselves as evil after all and in his own eyes, I'm sure he had great motivation for murder and war-mongering). Cason, on the other hand, is one of the few mentioned above and probably pictures himself as Chaotic Evil (which in itself probably is one of the reasons he isn't completely without morals).

[Thanatos.]

Disagree with Sarevok. He's all for killing the weak and letting his friends die. Hell, he'll betray you without an oath (usually). I'm pretty sure he knows, and is proud of, his CE alignment.

[Lykainon]

Disagree with Sarevok. He's all for killing the weak and letting his friends die. Hell, he'll betray you without an oath (usually). I'm pretty sure he knows, and is proud of, his CE alignment.

I don't doubt that it's a fitting alignment for him but people very rarely sees themselves as evil. Take Hitler for example, most people would probably put him as Lawful or Neutral Evil but if you asked him personally, he'd probably say he was Lawful Good (and that all Jews are Lawful Evil).

[vilkacis]

Hitler

...modnote: let's NOT start that discussion here.

[Thanatos.]

No, I disagree again, Sarevok knows he is evil, and he likes it, period. "I wanna be the God Of Murder. Is that such a bad thing? Ima use all my power to pet fluffy white bunnies and donate to charity."

Sareok is evil

[Choo Choo]

I agree that Sarevok knows of, and is proud of, his evilness, but he would most likely put himself as lawful evil, and I'd actually agree - here is a man who abused the lawful political system of a country to put himself into a position of power. Yes, he did it in an unlawful way, but he wasn't discovered until some whelp began messing in it.

[Thanatos.]

*shrug* Meh.

[Lurker of the north]

I'm with my compatriots on this one... -Or rather What Choo Choo said; In Sarevoks case LE would probably be the more appropriate alignment, rather then LN.

Cason, on the other hand, is one of the few mentioned above and probably pictures himself as Chaotic Evil (which in itself probably is one of the reasons he isn't completely without morals).

Sooo; If not CE/NE, it's CN, or perhaps even TN for Cason then?


Edit; Spelling and such, as always.
Edit2; Should mention SOMETHING on topic i guess.

Edited by Lurker of the north, 12 January 2009 - 05:58 PM.

[Konalan]

He looks a lot like Ronon from Stargate: Atlantis. Now I expect him to be a fighting machine.

[Lykainon]

He looks a lot like Ronon from Stargate: Atlantis.  Now I expect him to be a fighting machine.

That's not a coincidence (and I'm surprised that you're the first one to point it out) since Cason's picture is based on a picture of Ronon. He has Valygar's eyes though. Literally.

[Discordia]

sarevok is more NE than CE or LE.
he uses the law whenever beneficiary to him and ignores it if he considers it hindering to his motives.

either way, i ve been away for a while and see that there hasnt been an update in 6 weeks...
this project hasnt died, has it?

[Azkyroth]

sarevok is more NE than CE or LE.
he uses the law whenever beneficiary to him and ignores it if he considers it hindering to his motives.

either way, i ve been away for a while and see that there hasnt been an update in 6 weeks...
this project hasnt died, has it?

I think Sarevok's passion-driven nature makes a good case for Chaotic as his core mentality, though he's good enough about suppressing it to take advantage of the benefits of subterfuge and manipulation in the relatively short term.

[xdeathplanetx]

mmmm this is a nice topic and a very good mod if get finished this mod just need a lot of good talk with the main pg really a grat lob Likaion

[Azazello]

I think pirates are kinda sweet...and since BG2 already has a pirate town I figured a joinable pirate NPC would fit right in.

So... are there any? (Of course, some general opinions on the idea would be nice as well and if people are interested, I could share some of my thoughts on the subject.)

Although not in BG2, the history of Safana from BG1 implies she was a pirate. And once a Pirate, always a Pirate!

Anybody wanna make a Safana for BG2 mod?

[Icendoan]

You must have a Ninja encounter!

Icen

[vilkacis]

Stay on topic.