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[lac]

It's been so long since I have played this, that the condition of my memories is not a lot better than TNO's.  But I think I am remembering something.  Right now I'm a level 6 magician who has wandered into Pharod's lair for the first time.  I have been given the quest from Emoric to "find out where Pharod is getting the bodies".

I have as stats:

• int 18 (base 15) [3 points in 2 tattoos]
  
• wis 21 (base 20) [2 points in a tattoo]
  
• chr 19 (base 3)  [16 points due to the "friends" spell cast 2x]

Now the way I remember things, when you start asking Pharod questions, one of the questions you can ask is 'where are the bodies coming from?'.  And I remember that you then either have to lie to him that you won't tell anybody, or vow that you won't tell anybody before he will tell you.  Plus, there is a third option, where some stat or stats are required (I have the stirrings of a memory, charisma)where you can insult him and he is so eager to impress you that he boasts about where he is getting the bodies.  Thus it is possible to find out without lying or breaking a vow.

I'm not getting this conversational path.  The things I can ask about are:

• the jaunt to the mortuary
  
• what is this place?
  
• the missing journal
  
• repeat Reekwinds tale about Pharod
  
• farewell

and I think I have searched all the paths enough that it isn't a sub-topic and I have just missed it.

So -- Have I misremembered? Have you changed things?  Have I made a silly  error in finding the correct conversational branch? Have I found a reason to not walk around with 3 charisma (and the ability to cast "friends" as needed)? or have I found a bug?  The 16 charisma boost was still alive and well as I finished talking to Pharod, so it's not that it ran out in the middle of the chat.

Incidentally, the ease at which I walk around with 3 charisma may indicate that a friends spell that stacks combined with one that always gives +8 in charisma is just too powerful.  Or, if this is the reason that I cannot get this conversational path out of Pharod, and it is intentionalin order  to force people like me to put some character points in charisma, then 'unlocked stats' needs to come with a strong warning about this.

Thank you.  In case the tone of the above sounds like I am griping -- I am having a blast and am most grateful for these mods.

[Markus Ramikin]

Hm, I am going through a playthrough of 4.1 myself, and I keep saves at all important junctures... I just went back to the one in the village, before I first met Pharod, and I was able to get the dialogue path about the bodies, no problem.

I also just recently acquainted myself with a IE modding tool and checked the dialogue paths available. The only condition on this particular path seems to be "Global("Know_Pharod_Bodies", "GLOBAL", 0)", which I interpret as "you haven't yet found out where Pharod gets the bodies from". It's available on both first and later meetings, and regardless of whether you've got the bronze sphere yet or not. So no idea why you're not getting the path.

But I'm just a player like you and can't answer for the modders, maybe they can tell you something more useful .

EDIT: Are you sure you were paying attention when talking to Emoric, and accepted the quest? You didn't get him to describe the problem and only at the last second said something like nah, I'm not interested in this quest? Do you actually have the quest in your quest journal?

Edited by Markus Ramikin, 09 May 2010 - 09:43 AM.

[lac]

Hm, I am going through a playthrough of 4.1 myself, and I keep saves at all important junctures... I just went back to the one in the village, before I first met Pharod, and I was able to get the dialogue path about the bodies, no problem.

And it just shows up normally as the conversation?

I also just recently acquainted myself with a IE modding tool and checked the dialogue paths available. The only condition on this particular path seems to be "Global("Know_Pharod_Bodies", "GLOBAL", 0)", which I interpret as "you haven't yet found out where Pharod gets the bodies from". It's available on both first and later meetings, and regardless of whether you've got the bronze sphere yet or not. So no idea why you're not getting the path.

Where can I get one of these?

But I'm just a player like you and can't answer for the modders, maybe they can tell you something more useful .

EDIT: Are you sure you were paying attention when talking to Emoric, and accepted the quest? You didn't get him to describe the problem and only at the last second said something like nah, I'm not interested in this quest? Do you actually have the quest in your quest journal?

Yes, I have the quest. And when I go back to Emoric, it gives me the dialog option of 'I spoke with Pharod and found out where he is getting the bodies.'. So I checked further. I have a save in the Buried Village, just before I entered Pharod's throneroom. If I leave and go back to Emoric, I get the line about having talked with Pharod, even though I haven't met him yet. I have a save in the Trash Warrens, before entering the Buried Village. And if I leave then and go to Emoric, the line of dialog indicating you have solved the quest is not present. Further experimentation shows that
it is either talking with Marta, or talking with Quint that has managed to get the quest solved without talking to Pharod, and I remember Quint saying something about the "Dusties burying them and us digging them up again" ... so I am guessing that this is the place.

Which would make it odd to lose that conversational choice, but protects you from possibly having to lie or break a vow. But in that case, Emoric's conversational choice should be 'I found out where Pharod is getting the bodies' rather than 'I talked with Pharod and found out' since you can get it without taking to, or even meeting Pharod.

[lac]

Ok, If I go directly to Pharod when entering the Buried Village, I get the conversational paths I remember. I'm ending up more lawful even if I lie to Pharod about not telling, but that may be a consequence of telling him that I have lost my memories and am relying on what is tattooed on my back.

And if you enter the Buried Village, go directly to Quint, say that you are new, are interested in trading, with Quint, yes just with Quint, What do you usually trade for? What does Pharod do with the bodies?

then you will never get that conversational choice with Pharod when you talk with him. Indeed, you can leave right now and go back to Emoric for his reward. But your conversational choice with him will start 'I spoke with Pharod' even though you haven't yet.

Well, I cannot fault the game for having multiple ways to solve things -- indeed this is one of the factors that makes me love PST so. But I'd edit the dialog choice with Emoric for all that.

Is mentioning this here enough, or should I file it under Fixpack bugs?

[Markus Ramikin]

Where can I get one of these?

http://www.shsforums...p?showforum=535
I got the Infinity Explorer 0.85 from there. It doesn't seem to let me actually -do- anything (maybe I'm being dumb) but at least I can see how the dialoges and stuff are organised.

Further experimentation shows that
it is either talking with Marta, or talking with Quint that has managed to get the quest solved without talking to Pharod, and I remember Quint saying something about the "Dusties burying them and us digging them up again" ... so I am guessing that this is the place.

Yeah I looked around and confirmed, it's Quint. The dialogue option isn't always available, seems to depend on how you answer the initial question about trades. EDIT: yeah you beat me to it.

Which would make it odd to lose that conversational choice, but protects you from possibly having to lie or break a vow. But in that case, Emoric's conversational choice should be 'I found out where Pharod is getting the bodies' rather than 'I talked with Pharod and found out' since you can get it without taking to, or even meeting Pharod.

I agree, and if Qwinn is reading, this is probably worth looking at.

Edited by Markus Ramikin, 09 May 2010 - 11:08 AM.

[lac]

Thanks Markus!