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#1 Gray Mouser

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:48 PM

Is it safe to use ShadowKeeper with CA savegames?

I used it to add in the potion of voice as a way of circumventing the bug of not being able to complete the quest associated with making the potion and getting the amulet. After this, the infamous Chair Riddle scrolls started appearing as random drops on slain monsters, then an elf named ....uh..."Elf" aproaches me in Mistmoor with the tell tell signs of following the party trying to spawn dialogue that never spawns, but leaves me hanging in dialogue mode with the associated problems with that.

Can I fix here dialogue hang, making her say what she needs to, or is my game screwed? Is it shadowkeepers fault?
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#2 Sam.

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 07:34 PM

Is it safe to use ShadowKeeper with CA savegames?

I used it to add in the potion of voice as a way of circumventing the bug of not being able to complete the quest associated with making the potion and getting the amulet. After this, the infamous Chair Riddle scrolls started appearing as random drops on slain monsters, then an elf named ....uh..."Elf" aproaches me in Mistmoor with the tell tell signs of following the party trying to spawn dialogue that never spawns, but leaves me hanging in dialogue mode with the associated problems with that.

Can I fix here dialogue hang, making her say what she needs to, or is my game screwed? Is it shadowkeepers fault?

Shadowkeeper should work the same with CA as it does with the vanilla game. There have always been the occasional reports of shadowkeeper corrupting a game, but the reports are rare and I have never experienced it. I believe the bugs you are experiencing are in CA, not because of using shadowkeeper, but I don't really know for certain.

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#3 Jarno Mikkola

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 02:01 AM

Is it safe to use ShadowKeeper with CA savegames?

I used it to add in the potion of voice as a way of circumventing the bug of not being able to complete the quest associated with making the potion and getting the amulet.

Well, I wouldn't insert plot items, as the potion plot is rounded one.
You first have to talk twice to the man in the bar, then talk to the elf woman in the -forgot the magic shops name-, find the flower in either of the two areas it can be found, then bring it to the elf woman and she then needs the time to make the potion(~16 hours which I slept always as the plot gives that room), then go back and get the potion and then bring it to the man in the bar, and you get the amulet. After that the option should come up which the man offers to make the other potions from the rags.

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#4 leahnkain

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 04:45 AM

I can honestly say I have used shadowkeeper with every version of CA and it always works fine. In fact some of the .cre files of the NPC's were made as a player character and edited in shadowkeeper. As for the dialog you are missing it is not important, I think it is two female elves talking to Aesdale, is this the dialog?

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#5 Gray Mouser

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 05:18 AM

Is it safe to use ShadowKeeper with CA savegames?

I used it to add in the potion of voice as a way of circumventing the bug of not being able to complete the quest associated with making the potion and getting the amulet.

Well, I wouldn't insert plot items, as the potion plot is rounded one.
You first have to talk twice to the man in the bar, then talk to the elf woman in the -forgot the magic shops name-, find the flower in either of the two areas it can be found, then bring it to the elf woman and she then needs the time to make the potion(~16 hours which I slept always as the plot gives that room), then go back and get the potion and then bring it to the man in the bar, and you get the amulet. After that the option should come up which the man offers to make the other potions from the rags.



I wish I knew your exaqct setup so I could replicate your pristine results. :woot: If the quest had worked in the intended manner as you described, then I wouldn't need to shadowkeep the itemn in the first place. It appeared on my system as the mere act of getting the woman to make the potion frlagged the quest as done. If I had it made and returned it to him, he wouldn't talk to me. If I had her make it, and went back to talk to him before it was completed, he progressed to bragging about being a better mage and offering to make the potions from the rags, not asking if it was done yet. In either scenario, I never got the quest item. If I shadowkeeped the potion in without asking the woman to make it, he would reward me...the act of collecting the completed potion from the woman seemed to trigger a no talk from him and the act of of just getting her to make it triggered his post-quest dialogue, but no reward.
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#6 Gray Mouser

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 07:29 AM

I can honestly say I have used shadowkeeper with every version of CA and it always works fine. In fact some of the .cre files of the NPC's were made as a player character and edited in shadowkeeper. As for the dialog you are missing it is not important, I think it is two female elves talking to Aesdale, is this the dialog?



Yes, that is the dialogue. It isn't the importance of it, but what the error of continualy being in dialogue mode does to the game i.e can't sleep and can't walk more than a gew steps at a time.
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#7 Jarno Mikkola

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 07:52 AM

I wish I knew your exaqct setup so I could replicate your pristine results.

Well, this is te latest I have played somewhat, yes the v0.52... it's as always, a clean full install SoA + ToB + the v(2.5.)26498 patch + the WeiDU.log's mods:

// Log of Currently Installed WeiDU Mods
// The top of the file is the 'oldest' mod
// ~TP2_File~ #language_number #component_number // [Subcomponent Name -> ] Component Name [ : Version]
~SETUP-CLASSICS052.TP2~ #0 #0 // The Classic Adventures TC mod, version 0.52
~SETUP-CLASSICS052.TP2~ #0 #1 // Install Banter Accelerator
~SETUP-CLASSICS052.TP2~ #0 #3 // Infinite Weapon, Potion and Ring/Amulet Stacking
~SETUP-CLASSICS052.TP2~ #0 #4 // Shut Up "You Must Gather Your Party Before Venturing Forth"
~SETUP-CLASSICS052.TP2~ #0 #5 // Wear Magical Armor AND Magic Rings (etc.)
~SETUP-CLASSICS052.TP2~ #0 #6 // Allow Multi-Player Created NPCs to "Wait Here" When Kicked Out
~SETUP-CLASSICS052.TP2~ #0 #7 // Turn Off The Hideous Cloak-of-Mirroring and Spell-Trap Animation
~SETUP-CLASSICS052.TP2~ #0 #8 // Install 1PP's Flaming Sword animations pack
~SETUP-CLASSICS052.TP2~ #0 #9 // Install the Ion Stone animations pack
~RR/SETUP-RR.TP2~ #0 #0 // Proper dual-wielding implementation for Thieves and Bards: v4.33
~RR/SETUP-RR.TP2~ #0 #1 // Thief kit revisions: v4.33
~RR/SETUP-RR.TP2~ #0 #2 // Thief High Level Ability revisions: v4.33
~RR/SETUP-RR.TP2~ #0 #3 // Proper racial adjustments for thieving skills: v4.33
~RR/SETUP-RR.TP2~ #0 #4 // Bard kit revisions: v4.33
~RR/SETUP-RR.TP2~ #0 #5 // Bard High Level Ability revisions: v4.33
~RR/SETUP-RR.TP2~ #0 #6 // Proper spell progression for Bards: v4.33
~RR/SETUP-RR.TP2~ #0 #7 // Additional equipment for Thieves and Bards: v4.33
~RR/SETUP-RR.TP2~ #0 #10 // Revised Thievery -> Retain default thievery potions and prevent their effects from stacking: v4.33
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #60 // Weapon Animation Tweaks: v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #130 // Force All Dialogue to Pause Game: v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1080 // Add Bags of Holding: v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2040 // Universal Clubs: v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2140 // Expanded Dual-Class Options: v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2200 // Multi-Class Grandmastery (Weimer): v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2210 // True Grandmastery (Baldurdash): v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2320 // Trap Cap Removal (Ardanis/GeN1e): v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2330 // Remove Delay for Magical Traps (Ardanis/GeN1e): v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3000 // Higher HP on Level Up -> Maximum: v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3010 // Maximum HP for NPCs (the bigg) -> For All Creatures in Game: v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3020 // Identify All Items: v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3031 // Easy Spell Learning -> 100% Learn Spells and No Maximum Cap: v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3040 // Make Bags of Holding Bottomless: v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3050 // Remove fatigue from restoration spells: v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3080 // Unlimited Ammo Stacking: v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3090 // Unlimited Gem and Jewelry Stacking: v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3100 // Unlimited Potion Stacking: v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3110 // Unlimited Scroll Stacking: v8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3200 // Sellable Items (Icelus): v8
~WIDESCREEN/WIDESCREEN.TP2~ #0 #0 // Widescreen Mod -> for the original Infinity Engine (CHOOSE THIS!): Widescreen Mod v2.31
~SETUP-BOW.TP2~ #0 #0 // Ranger/Cleric Bow Fix
~MEGAMODKITS/MEGAMODKITS.TP2~ #0 #0 // Battle Priest of Tempus Kit, available for all Clerics: v1.01K beta
~MEGAMODKITS/MEGAMODKITS.TP2~ #0 #1 // Charming Rogue Kit, available for all Thieves: v1.01K beta
...

The Tweakpack should be quite unneeded now, and as I used the game as a test build to try the kitmod I did at the time...

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#8 Sir BillyBob

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 04:12 PM

The 2 female elves are trying to talk to Aesdale. Since they start the dialog not him, your game shouldn't freeze every few steps. However, if the dialog did start and didn't end correctly, than you would have this problem.

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