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[Rathwellin the Bard]

Re: the innate wish. There is no dialogue right? The Solar uses 'Wish' and something happens right?

[T.G.Maestro]

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Re: the innate wish. There is no dialogue right? The Solar uses 'Wish' and something happens right?

Nope, it is a bit complicated:
1.: The Solar casts the spell;
2.: The Djinn negotiates with the Solar, but YOU have the option to choose from the options (as if you would roleplay the Solar);
3.: the Solar "casts/activates" the chosen effect.

It seemed a nice method for me.

[Jinnai]

T.G.Maestro, on Oct 27 2004, 03:10 PM, said:

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Well if the fallen versions of the creatures were only summonable by neutral characters i could see them being okay...but....

I don't understand you here Jinnai. You mean that only neutral characters should be able to summon EVIL celestials...?

I view falled as a state between good and evil. They haven't turned into fiends, but they are no longer good. IE the fallen status represents a middle ground, like a neutral character betweem good and evil.

You could always change the alignment.

I just don't see why you're giving the ability to summon fallen status creatures and fiends to evil characters.

Edited by Jinnai, 28 October 2004 - 10:49 PM.

[Feanor]

T.G.Maestro, on Oct 28 2004, 08:44 PM, said:

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Re: the innate wish. There is no dialogue right? The Solar uses 'Wish' and something happens right?

Nope, it is a bit complicated:
1.: The Solar casts the spell;
2.: The Djinn negotiates with the Solar, but YOU have the option to choose from the options (as if you would roleplay the Solar);
3.: the Solar "casts/activates" the chosen effect.

It seemed a nice method for me.

And for enemy solars, how it will be ?

[T.G.Maestro]

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And for enemy solars, how it will be ?

Since we have no scripter ATM, I can't tell you much. Not sure if they'll use it at all.

[the bigg]

T.G.Maestro, on Oct 29 2004, 03:27 PM, said:

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And for enemy solars, how it will be ?

Since we have no scripter ATM, I can't tell you much. Not sure if they'll use it at all.

Have done once with only two spells (Sucineri in TOB, MTP), and it was a pain in the a**. Have done with 8 spells (Large Scale Battle), but without checks (fully random). Still, it will be a great teaching for me in Probabilities if I want to do it correct. (Probability calculus will be in my next year of Uni, not this one, so it will be a great challenge).
BUT this time I will do it correctly. Promised.

[T.G.Maestro]

Please make it sure to inform us about your "availability" Bigg, so we can organize the work a bit better - much depends on your help nowadays, you know. :thumb:

[the bigg]

As I told, pretty much everything depends on when they are going to install a LAN in my room. After that, I can DL & Upload stuff & start working (on a reduced time frame, that is ). For now, I have BG2 on a non-connected PC, so doing stuff is a bit difficult ATM.
You can start spamming me with general mail, though, and I will do my best to read/reply/suggest/code, as time allows.
EG, I'm going to try doing Illasera (she isn't really script-heavy after all )

[Schatten]

the bigg, on Oct 30 2004, 11:55 AM, said:

Still, it will be a great teaching for me in Probabilities if I want to do it correct. (Probability calculus will be in my next year of Uni, not this one, so it will be a great challenge).

what exactly do you mean? it is more than a year ago since i had probability but perhaps i can help....

[the bigg]

Schatten, on Nov 2 2004, 09:58 AM, said:

the bigg, on Oct 30 2004, 11:55 AM, said:

Still, it will be a great teaching for me in Probabilities if I want to do it correct. (Probability calculus will be in my next year of Uni, not this one, so it will be a great challenge).

what exactly do you mean? it is more than a year ago since i had probability but perhaps i can help....

Given you cast Wish, in situtation A you need wish 1 at best, wish 2 slightly less, and so on. In situation B, though, You'd prefer 2 instead of 1. Finally, in situation C you need wish 4.
Wish options are granted according to a complex alghoritm (IESDP should clarify).. Knowing that, I need to calculate:
chances that 1 appear, then chances that 2 appear but 1 not, and so on (for situation 1)
chances that 2 appear, then chances that 1 appear but 2 not, and so on (for situation 2)

And then I need to script all of that in a CPU-friendly way (little detail, eheh). (maybe a rat...).

[Feanor]

If enemy Solars can't use Wish, then maybe would be better that friendly Solars should use only Limited Wish.

[T.G.Maestro]

No, LW is different - both in concept and in effects. If they ever get using Wish spslls, it will be the 9th level one.

[Feanor]

3 Questions for the bosses :

1. What spell allows you to summon a Solar in Refinements ?
2. Did you limit the choice of paladin in regard to Summon Deva to one single pick ?
3. When a Deva is summoned, it uses Blade Barrier. Personally, I think you should drop this, since this way the Deva slashes his allies.

And fallen celestials exist in Pnp. They usually become fiends. Baalzebul and Zariel are 2 famous examples (former archons).

[Littiz]

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1. What spell allows you to summon a Solar in Refinements ?

Divine Intervention.
Of course, the chance of getting one is small (5%, IIRC).
There might be some other instances, I don't remember.

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2. Did you limit the choice of paladin in regard to Summon Deva to one single pick ?

AFAIK it was 1 pick even in the original game.

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3. When a Deva is summoned, it uses Blade Barrier. Personally, I think you should drop this, since this way the Deva slashes his allies.

Or maybe a careful summoner should cast it at distance, to avoid getting blinded by heavenly light
Dunno. Worth more than a thought

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And fallen celestials exist in Pnp. They usually become fiends. Baalzebul and Zariel are 2 famous examples (former archons).

And so we can summon fiends
(Ok, we have to revise fiends too, sometime )

Edited by Littiz, 19 August 2005 - 11:19 AM.

[Feanor]

Littiz, on Aug 19 2005, 09:08 PM, said:

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1. What spell allows you to summon a Solar in Refinements ?

Divine Intervention.
Of course, the chance of getting one is small (5%, IIRC).
There might be some other instances, I don't remember.

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2. Did you limit the choice of paladin in regard to Summon Deva to one single pick ?

AFAIK it was 1 pick even in the original game.

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3. When a Deva is summoned, it uses Blade Barrier. Personally, I think you should drop this, since this way the Deva slashes his allies.

Or maybe a careful summoner should cast it at distance, to avoid getting blinded by heavenly light
Dunno. Worth more than a thought

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And fallen celestials exist in Pnp. They usually become fiends. Baalzebul and Zariel are 2 famous examples (former archons).

And so we can summon fiends
(Ok, we have to revise fiends too, sometime )

1. Whan about improving the description of Divine Intervention a little bit (in the readme, at least). It is of the most vague descriptions of an ability which I have ever seen.

2. Are you sure ? I think I was able once to pick more than one Summon Deva for Keldorn. Or my memory is playing tricks on me ?

3. This way the deva forces the party to stay away instead of joining him in battle.

[Feanor]

Hello ? Someone here ?

[Littiz]

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1. Whan about improving the description of Divine Intervention a little bit (in the readme, at least). It is of the most vague descriptions of an ability which I have ever seen.

We can revise it if it's too vague, not a priority though. I myself prefer verbose, non technical descriptions when it comes to spells and abilities.

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2. Are you sure ? I think I was able once to pick more than one Summon Deva for Keldorn. Or my memory is playing tricks on me ? 

I didn't remember, I could one take a copy of the original paladin tables and see.
It listed one deva, but maybe it was a pre-baldurdash thing or something...

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3. This way the deva forces the party to stay away instead of joining him in battle.

I think we'll change this, indeed (the_bigg willing...)

[the bigg]

Littiz, on Aug 28 2005, 09:59 PM, said:

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3. This way the deva forces the party to stay away instead of joining him in battle.

I think we'll change this, indeed (the_bigg willing...)

It's changed on my own HD. Do you want me to re-upload all 7 Mb each time I change a file, or go through the trouble of making progressive patches?

[Feanor]

Littiz, on Aug 28 2005, 09:59 PM, said:

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1. Whan about improving the description of Divine Intervention a little bit (in the readme, at least). It is of the most vague descriptions of an ability which I have ever seen.

We can revise it if it's too vague, not a priority though. I myself prefer verbose, non technical descriptions when it comes to spells and abilities.

At least in the readme. Neither Wish is not very specific, but I least I know what it does from walkthrough.
BTW, could you post what divine intervention does ? Pretty please ?

[Littiz]

Ok, but it won't go in the docs
This is for DI *evil* version only, the good version was shorter (no bad effects possible, but with a consistent chance of no result at all), but I don't have it right now. Since I'm too lazy to check the files one by one, we'll wait for TGM to return and ask him, maybe he has still a list
Oh, I *think* I updated the list with the latest changes

• 1-5%: Rift (summons 1-3 Greater Fire Elementals, attack everyone)
  
• 6-10%: Summon Lesser Demon Lord (hostile, attacks the caster);
  
• 11-15%: Summon Balors (hostile, attack the caster);
  
• 16-20%: Summon Balor (hostile, attacks the caster);
  
• 21-25%: Harm on caster;
  
• 26-30%: Volcano on caster;
  
• 31-35%: Firestorm on screen +3 A.Boneguards (3 ABs rise from the firestorm and attack everyone);
  
• 36-40%: Chaos on screen (affecting everyone, no save);
  
• 41-45%: Plague (Contagion on everyone, no save);
  
• 46-50%: Dispel Magic (affecting everyone, no save);
  
• 51-55%: STR Curse on enemies (drains 1D6 point of STR permanently, save vs. death at -6);
  
• 56-60%: DEX Curse on enemies (the same as above, but DEX);
  
• 61-65%: Miscast Magic on enemies (6 rounds, save vs. spells at -6);
  
• 66-70%: Blindness+Deafness on enemies (3 rounds, save vs. spells at -6);
  
• 71-75%: Flamestrike on enemies;
  
• 76-80%: - 3 Skeleton Warriors;
  - 2 Skeleton Warrior archers;
  - 2 Skeleton Archers;
  - 2 Boneguards;
  
• 81-85%: Summon Fallen Deva (controlled);
  
• 86-90%: Summon Balor (controlled); DID4
  
• 91-95%: Summon Lesser Demon Lord (controlled);
  
• 96-100%: Summon Fallen Solar (controlled).

Edited by Littiz, 31 August 2005 - 11:27 AM.